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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so this week Chris

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O'Brien is a recovering he's waiting to

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say recovering one you notice how the

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pause is what refreshes us here so let's

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try it again Chris O'Brien is a

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recovering filling the bomb supposed to

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say gee I'm recovering from 16 months of

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sitting in one chair in one place and

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growing roots yes but you go outside for

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smoke breaks I do I do get on you I just

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read how Leonard Nimoy mr. Spock is

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suffering from a lung disease because he

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was once a heavy smoker but that was 30

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years previously so he's now a guy in

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his early 80s he gave up smoking in his

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50s and he still suffered the

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consequences Chris what do we do about

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you

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Oh switch me to an e-cigarette which is

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what I'm doing I'm weaning myself over

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to e-cigarettes okay I love my nicotine

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but with e-cigarettes you can smoke them

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inside because we don't let anybody

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smoke in this residence yeah your point

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being I don't like the odor anyway

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seriously we don't let anybody smoke in

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my car either by the way

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all right so he'll tell us about his

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e-cigarettes I guess also he's gonna

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feel more relaxed now because of the

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fact that the book is done and we went

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through this long period of Corrections

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oh boy did we and you can bet that the

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people buying the book a few early

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adopters will go through it with a

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fine-tooth comb any typos they find

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they'll scream about but that's

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preposterous because nothing is perfect

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well especially since the book is almost

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a half a million words I hate I don't

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want to scare potential readers off but

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it's about as extensive and

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comprehensive as the subject will allow

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and we didn't make the type too small

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for readability we kept it reasonable

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size type yeah but it's not you know one

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of those books where you have a space

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and a half between lines this is

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definitely a tome I think would be the

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term it's at the printer and I've signed

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off on it they're printing it hopefully

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today as we speak it should be ready to

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ship out early next week

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towards the middle of the week and I'm

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really excited I you know I put really a

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lot of time and effort and energy into

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this and I had the help of gene and a

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couple of editors a couple of proof

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readers and you know because ventures

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Unlimited does not have a an editorial

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department or a proofreader I took it

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upon myself to create as as perfect a

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book as is as I could and I did have

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help so as I mentioned to several people

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I think this book will be around a lot

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longer than I will be so I wanted to

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make it as perfect as possible and I'm

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very proud of it I really have a sense

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that this is going to be the go-to book

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on the subject from here on out well if

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you don't give up on smoking it may

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outlive you I serve all right you see

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I'm really digging it into him yeah you

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are why I feel good I feel like a

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tremendous weight has been lifted off my

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my head my attitude is better I'm not so

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preoccupied yeah I'm almost at a point

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where I'm not quite sure what to do with

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myself you know I am starting work or

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have begun researching the follow up to

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stalking the herd which will is

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tentatively titled stalking the stalkers

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kind of ironic title but I really feel

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that a complete analysis of the first

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book is really important to put all that

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information into an analytical context

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and David Perkins and I are going to be

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co-writing this follow-up book which

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will analyze the 600 and 600 pages that

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the first book

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presents all the data and now we have to

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analyze it I did not have room to put in

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an extensive analysis of the data I do

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put in my two cents worth especially in

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the final chapter chapter 12 I do go

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in-depth on some of my own theories but

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that's not to say that more analytical

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work shouldn't be done I really do feel

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that it needs to be really put into a

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think-tank situation and really come up

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with some some trends patterns we've

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already identified some that I just I'm

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very excited about where the analytical

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process is going and we're already hard

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at work on it you know I was thinking

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about maybe the title of the sequel why

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don't you call it after the herd you

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have stalking the herd after the herd

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you know you do like movies you come up

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with the title like yes

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after the herd before the herd do the

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prequel you know it's prequels name of

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course five years from now we have the

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reboot what which is starting the herd

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begins the herd lives well you know I

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can't help but notice in the news today

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there's an announcement by the state of

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Virginia that they're expanding their I

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guess monitoring deer herds in the state

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of Virginia they've expanded the areas

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that they think that chronic wasting

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disease has spread to and this is going

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to be something that we're going to be

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over the coming years of how TSD are

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is spreading through the wild deer and

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elk populations and and there's no end

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in sight with it if you're a hunter and

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you're east of the Rockies you have to

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have the head test that you you should

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not render that animal and heat it

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without being completely sure that it's

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free of chronic wasting disease and the

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biggest disease of all will be learning

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how to pronounce the name of that

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disease can be read as miserable

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spongiform encephalopathy okay you know

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I want to say something about the show

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we have with Jacy John

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a few weeks ago and he was kidding me

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there about Bigfoot's cat okay and he

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used a few other words for that stuff so

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I made a few silly remarks unfortunately

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one listeners took that seriously took

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umbrage on my attempts to make light of

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scat okay makes cat lighter rather than

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being a heavy subject to deal with he

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said that guy should be fired and since

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of course some the owner of the company

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I wrote him back and said I'll tell you

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what just don't listen I'll have time

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for this really you know all this

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aggravation over a few sentences why you

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made a fuss over it okay well it's

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alright gene you don't want to poop on

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the parade and and you know kind of

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lower the bar of civility I think his

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letter was poop okay there we go

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I said it ladies and gentlemen and

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that's it let's stop right here before

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we get in trouble let's look at our

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guest for today and once again after an

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excursion back to UFOs last week with

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dr. Bruce Maccabee this week we're going

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to cryptozoology we're going to strange

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creatures and we're going to talk with a

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writer and a musician guy named Lyle

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Blackburn and he's got a new book out

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about the lizard man pretty fascinating

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was amazed at the outbreak of sightings

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in South Carolina in 1988-89 it was

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national news CBS News went down there

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good I think what the Today Show did

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life feed from down there pretty

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interesting stuff I can't wait to get

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into it with Lyle about this and and and

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find out more this is really quite a

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compelling subject that you don't hear

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much about of course you hear about

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Bigfoot all the time now

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we hear about you know flying creatures

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fine humanoids and other types of high

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strange categories of sightings but but

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Lizard Men is not something that you

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normally hear about and the book is

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filled with a bunch of interesting

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reports that have surfaced all the way

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back into the 1800s and it's quite

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fascinating and a real head-scratcher I

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must say okay look it's called lizard

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man but Lyle Blackburn has written

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another book called the Beast of Boggy

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Creek oh wow so that one has a foreword

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by Loren Coleman this one has a foreword

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from Nick Redfern so he's in good

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company yes the guest is Lyle Blackburn

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he'll be on with Jean and Chris you're

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all and now thanks to Dan pillow you can

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tax nightmare hi I'm Dan pillow I've

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helped thousands of people reduce or

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eliminate tax debts they couldn't pay

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and after more than 30 years of

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experience dealing with the IRS I can

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tell you there's no such thing as a

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hopeless tax case with the IRS as new

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podcast.com we introduce to our

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listeners of the para cast Lyle

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Blackburn and he's involved in

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cryptozoology is also a musician and

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we're going to talk about his latest

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book which is called lizard man but also

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the previous book from a couple of years

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back called the beasts of Boggy Creek so

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that creature is from Arkansas the new

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one the lizard man is from South

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Carolina

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Lyle welcome to the power cast hey

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thanks for having me before we get

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underway with looking for strange

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creatures which we do from time to time

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of the power cast tell our listeners

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about your background what got you

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interested with legends about monsters

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well it was definitely one of those

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things I was interested in at a very

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young age you know always loved monsters

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and loved horror movies but I especially

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gravitated towards things that were

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presumably real you know

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cryptozoology creatures Bigfoot Loch

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Ness monster things like that you know

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ghosts buried a triangle you know when I

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was a kid I watched all those sorts of

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shows it was just sort of a lifelong

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interest I read books and things like

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that as an adult I became a writer and

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in doing so I began to look back at a

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lot of these things and started looking

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more in-depth into the cases and it

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fascinated me and so that became

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something I wanted to write about and

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that led to the first book the Beast of

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boggy creek because I had seen a movie

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as a kid called The Legend of Boggy

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Creek which that was it was based on

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some real sightings in Arkansas so

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that's kind of where I started and that

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was very well received and so I decided

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to keep up with that and that's what led

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me to the Lizardman

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case

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our listeners will want to know do you

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have a day job not so to speak I'm a

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freelance writer so I still you know I

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don't make a living writing the books

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completely I do other you know freelance

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things also I'm a writer for the

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magazine room or gets a popular horror

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magazine you know you can pick up at

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Barnes & Nobles and places like that so

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I have a column in there and I write for

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that magazine I played in bands for

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years you know fairly semi-pro we toured

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all over the world and stuff so I still

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get a lot of royalties off the music so

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all combined that sort of is my job plus

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monster-hunting okay now in choosing

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which monsters to explore do you look at

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recent legends and stories or do you

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just pick out something that happens to

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interest you well a lot of it you know

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does dependent on where I'm located you

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know in the case of my both of my books

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I definitely wanted to go to these areas

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and do research I don't want to sit on

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the internet and try to ride a book like

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that so you know I mean I need to

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concentrate I live in Texas so you know

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starting with the boggy creek monster

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that was just across the border in

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Arkansas so definitely a place that I

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could visit visit the areas where was

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cited interview people in the actual

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area and you know I've visited place

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like honey island swamp where there's

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the honey island swamp monster in

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Louisiana in on over to the southeast

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where you know the South Carolina where

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the Bishopville lizard man is so

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that that's kind of where I concentrate

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and what I choose you know I mean I love

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tales of Lake Monsters and of course you

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know Loch Ness or Lake more are over

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there in Scotland but they're so far

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away and I like to do first-hand

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research that most of the time what I

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write about is going to be in the in the

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south or southeast us now our creature

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sightings like this focus more on

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particular regions of the US

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I'm thinking about other monsters like

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the flatwoods monster in West Virginia

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we're thinking of course about also

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Mothman right I mean those would be you

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know regional creatures so to speak and

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if you were to write a book on the

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Mothman you know you would go to Point

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Pleasant West Virginia and you would you

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know go from there my eye books have

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been very focused in that I've explored

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sightings of a creature that occurred

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over a you know many number of years X

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number of years you know in a certain

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area rather than you know writing a book

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on you know Bigfoot or something where I

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just talk about sightings worldwide or

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even in the US or something like that

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and I think it's it's one reason my

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books have been successful but also you

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know one reason that sets me apart is

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because rather than just try to write

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these you know encyclopedias of

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cryptozoology monsters and briefly

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mentioned something I really dig into a

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case and bring forward details and a lot

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of times witness sightings that nobody

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has ever heard of because nobody you

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know really went and spent so much time

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digging around you know at the location

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so you know mine are very focused on a

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certain case which just is to me is more

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fascinating to to really bring out all

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all the details a lot one thing that I

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noticed in your book is that you do go

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back and do some historical research and

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mention some pretty interesting cases

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and sighting claims that go all the way

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back into the 1800s perhaps this is a

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good place to give our listeners a bit

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of a background on this particular you

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know described creature which I don't

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think very many people are aware of how

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many sightings of these strange

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amphibious by bipedal creatures have

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been made over the years especially here

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in the United States right and that's

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one thing you will find out as you start

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looking into modern sightings of these

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things most times you can backtrack and

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find you know historical references old

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sightings you know that that are maybe

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to the 1800s

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and then back to Native American legends

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as far as you can look you'll see these

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either coincidental or you know you know

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kind of spooky that that they were

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seeing this stuff in the same area so in

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the case of the Bishopville lizard man I

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did you know look into the back history

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around there and found that there were

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Native American legends about a a race

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of men who they described in sort of

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reptilian terms they said they had these

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rigid tails and they existed off by

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eating fish and they came from the sea

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and these people disappeared after the

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fish ran out so while the descriptions

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here don't really match the modern

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description of the lizard man it is you

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know really weird that you could find

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Native American history about a

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reptilian type humanoid in this very

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area where in 1988 people started

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reporting the lizard man and you know

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note that the people who reported the

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witnesses who reported seeing the lizard

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man would have had no earthly idea that

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there was any sort of old Native

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American tales that would be similar so

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it is you know they're a very cool

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connection and one thing that brings

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substance to the case you know I'm gonna

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ask you when we get to our next segment

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whether in looking over possible

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candidates for further investigation you

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found cases that just didn't pass muster

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it was just people telling tall tales

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around the campfire as some people

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complain about a guest we had on a few

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weeks ago was doing but we'll get into

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that and more we're gonna look at the

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lizard man and other strange creatures

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our guest is Lyle Blackburn we got more

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since 1988 hi this is Don Ecker and you

600
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:06,090
are tuned in to the para cast let me

601
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:07,980
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

602
00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:10,740
here that you probably won't hear

603
00:27:15,659 --> 00:27:12,340
anywhere else

604
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:15,669
here that George Chris has his inner

605
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:19,090
lizard taking control of his being right

606
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:21,400
now Jean and Chris talking to Lyle

607
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:25,090
Blackburn Lyle in choosing cases do

608
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,710
on-site investigation when you do

609
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,240
on-site investigation folks he's

610
00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:29,679
traveling to that place

611
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,500
he's guys stay at the local motels or

612
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find somebody that put them up or

613
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something the key here is it involves a

614
00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:38,590
lot of time and expense it's not a

615
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,950
casual thing so in looking for places

616
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that interested you while did you find

617
00:27:49,019 --> 00:27:46,210
anything that just didn't pass muster at

618
00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:49,029
all yeah I mean there are some that you

619
00:27:53,389 --> 00:27:50,740
know as you look a little bit further

620
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:53,399
into them there's there's some dubious

621
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:55,809
aspects to it things that don't add up

622
00:28:00,960 --> 00:27:59,200
or witnesses whose stories you know seem

623
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:00,970
a little bit far-fetched and certainly

624
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:04,270
by going to an area and trying to speak

625
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:06,850
to people more in person rather than you

626
00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:08,860
know getting a summary from Wikipedia or

627
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:10,600
something you can you can kind of sort

628
00:28:16,889 --> 00:28:14,559
out what seems real and genuine from

629
00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:16,899
something that's been you know passed

630
00:28:22,529 --> 00:28:19,510
down rewritten and summarized you know

631
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:22,539
20 times on the internet you know so far

632
00:28:28,590 --> 00:28:25,690
from the source so yeah certainly you

633
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:28,600
know in two aspects one I have

634
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:31,570
interviewed witnesses in some cases that

635
00:28:35,639 --> 00:28:33,490
you know I just didn't feel like their

636
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:35,649
story stood up so I just didn't include

637
00:28:42,539 --> 00:28:39,610
those as examples of of credible reports

638
00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:42,549
you know on top of that you you start

639
00:28:46,049 --> 00:28:44,440
expanding out and like you in the case

640
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:46,059
of the lizard man we're gonna look at

641
00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:48,190
you know other reptilian reports from

642
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:50,020
around the u.s. well when you start

643
00:28:54,659 --> 00:28:51,850
looking into sort of reptilian /

644
00:28:57,060 --> 00:28:54,669
amphibious you really start yet on the

645
00:29:00,000 --> 00:28:57,070
fringes of cryptozoology and you know

646
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:00,010
pair into paranormal or whatever I found

647
00:29:05,639 --> 00:29:03,010
that you know some of those cases were

648
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:05,649
just very dubious there's one one called

649
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,630
the Loveland frog which comes up a lot

650
00:29:13,529 --> 00:29:09,760
when you talk about sort of Lizard Men

651
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:13,539
or amphibious creatures and you know I

652
00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:15,610
looked into that and you know I just I

653
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:17,950
just sort of tail the story but I you

654
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:20,260
know make no bones about it you know

655
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:22,030
even in the book I can say I don't know

656
00:29:25,529 --> 00:29:24,370
you know its few things don't add up I

657
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:25,539
just call it how it is

658
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:28,690
you know so some cases are going to have

659
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,809
better support and credible evidence and

660
00:29:37,259 --> 00:29:33,960
then some of them just have very little

661
00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:37,269
to go on so you just kind of have to

662
00:29:41,099 --> 00:29:39,100
make a judgement like I said in my books

663
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:41,109
I just tell the story it's a great story

664
00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:43,330
no matter what it is because these are

665
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:45,220
mysterious things and I just try to sort

666
00:29:50,099 --> 00:29:48,100
out the truth offer it up and let let

667
00:29:52,619 --> 00:29:50,109
myself and the readers decide from there

668
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:52,629
well let's go in and talk about Bishops

669
00:29:57,539 --> 00:29:55,720
ville and this incredible outbreak of

670
00:29:59,399 --> 00:29:57,549
reports that happened in the early

671
00:30:01,979 --> 00:29:59,409
summer of 1988

672
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:01,989
I think the first report of correct me

673
00:30:06,989 --> 00:30:04,330
if I'm wrong as a family reporting that

674
00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:06,999
there that there Ford LTD had been

675
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:08,440
mauled at night and they couldn't figure

676
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:11,950
out what it tore up the fender and and

677
00:30:17,879 --> 00:30:14,169
other things and then a few days later

678
00:30:21,989 --> 00:30:17,889
was the next month was a very bizarre

679
00:30:26,669 --> 00:30:21,999
report that was filed by a guy named

680
00:30:29,609 --> 00:30:26,679
Chris was in Davis I think who reported

681
00:30:31,979 --> 00:30:29,619
seen this creature why don't we start

682
00:30:34,409 --> 00:30:31,989
with those early events and then we'll

683
00:30:37,739 --> 00:30:34,419
kind of continue on and show some of the

684
00:30:39,389 --> 00:30:37,749
other eyewitness cases that occurred

685
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:39,399
during this very interesting flap that

686
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:42,190
occurred in I think Lee County correct

687
00:30:45,989 --> 00:30:44,169
me if I'm wrong South Carolina right

688
00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:45,999
yeah it was interesting how the whole

689
00:30:52,589 --> 00:30:49,929
thing got started it was in the July of

690
00:30:55,379 --> 00:30:52,599
1988 and the sheriff's office down there

691
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:55,389
the Lee County Sheriff got a call from

692
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:58,330
those folks who said you know we woke up

693
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:01,320
this morning our our Ford LTD has been

694
00:31:06,570 --> 00:31:03,609
eaten up it looks like an animal

695
00:31:08,639 --> 00:31:06,580
attacked it and so sheriff said okay he

696
00:31:10,859 --> 00:31:08,649
sends a couple of deputies down there to

697
00:31:13,289 --> 00:31:10,869
check it out well they look at it and it

698
00:31:16,379 --> 00:31:13,299
sure enough it really does look like an

699
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,389
animal has done something the car pieces

700
00:31:20,129 --> 00:31:18,399
are ripped off but there's there's sort

701
00:31:22,499 --> 00:31:20,139
of some footprints there's some hair

702
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,509
really strange so they call back down

703
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:23,919
there to the sheriff Liston Truesdale

704
00:31:27,299 --> 00:31:26,200
and said hey sheriff this is weird we

705
00:31:29,099 --> 00:31:27,309
don't know what to make of it you might

706
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,109
better come check this out so he goes

707
00:31:34,859 --> 00:31:32,320
down there starts looking into it and in

708
00:31:36,509 --> 00:31:34,869
the process of that some of the locals

709
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,519
started gathering around you know the

710
00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:38,559
police are there so you know people are

711
00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:39,340
gathering and

712
00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:41,320
some of them came up and said well you

713
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:44,350
know this might be the result of a

714
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:45,550
creature that people have been seeing

715
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:47,650
around here we call the lizard man and

716
00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:50,410
so the sheriff is like though what you

717
00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:52,360
know the lizard man and you know he's

718
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:54,100
listening he's just trying to make sense

719
00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:56,260
of this you know they say yeah you know

720
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:00,610
several people lately have seen a tall

721
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:02,890
maybe 7-foot tall creature it's either

722
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:06,370
brownish or greenish in color and you

723
00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:08,260
know it seems to be lurking in this area

724
00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:11,380
an area which is called scape ore swamp

725
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:13,780
and and the the car which had been

726
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:15,910
damaged was right on the outskirts of

727
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:17,830
this scape ore swamp so the police

728
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:20,050
weren't sure what to make of this but

729
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:22,270
either way they had a damaged car and

730
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:24,790
you know some call crazy story so they

731
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,980
said we'll look you you tell anybody who

732
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:29,200
has seen this creature to come see us

733
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:31,930
and so this actually got in the

734
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:33,850
newspaper and that's what brought in

735
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:36,390
Christopher Davis a few days later

736
00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:39,190
Christopher Davis his father brought him

737
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:41,320
down to the police station and said you

738
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:44,290
know my son may have something to add to

739
00:32:49,170 --> 00:32:46,900
this whole lizard man in fact a couple

740
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:49,180
of weeks ago he was attacked by a

741
00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:50,980
creature kind of fitting this

742
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:53,560
description and so you know that's

743
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:55,750
that's when the whole witness thing came

744
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,550
forward in his sighting just just to

745
00:33:02,850 --> 00:32:59,880
briefly sum it up was was very

746
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:02,860
sensational he said he had a flat tire

747
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:04,780
in the middle of the night out by scape

748
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:06,730
ore swamp on his way home from work as

749
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:09,070
he was getting ready to leave he sees

750
00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:12,130
some kind of humanoid figure coming at

751
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:14,020
him through the fennel grass as it gets

752
00:33:18,990 --> 00:33:17,110
closer he could tell that it made

753
00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:19,000
probably not a man he didn't know what

754
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:21,220
it was he jumps in his car tries to

755
00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:24,430
speed away this thing tries to get in it

756
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:27,150
jumps on the car tries to attack him and

757
00:33:33,270 --> 00:33:30,430
so while it sounds crazy

758
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:33,280
sheriff Truesdale did believe this kid

759
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:34,870
was telling the truth he weren't sure he

760
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:36,850
wasn't sure what exactly had attacked

761
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,490
him but he felt that something had

762
00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:41,440
happened to this kid and so that's

763
00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:43,870
that's where it all all started that got

764
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:46,300
in the newspaper and everybody just kind

765
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:48,370
of went lizard man crazy there in that

766
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:50,440
summer very briefly here

767
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:53,050
has anyone been seriously harmed

768
00:33:57,570 --> 00:33:55,000
by one of these creatures are killed by

769
00:34:01,410 --> 00:33:57,580
one of them no I mean there's there's no

770
00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:01,420
proof of that and Christopher Davis you

771
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:04,390
know by all accounts seemingly came the

772
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:08,200
closest to being injured but you know a

773
00:34:13,710 --> 00:34:11,860
lot of the other witnesses just got

774
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:13,720
brief glimpses running across the road

775
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:15,880
they saw it at the edge of the woods

776
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:18,640
things like that it never never attacked

777
00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:22,210
anybody else but as far as you know

778
00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:24,100
Christopher Davis that surely is the

779
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:27,159
hinge point sighting and and he did it

780
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,470
did appear to be aggressive towards him

781
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,560
that the these sightings seem to be

782
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:34,720
clustered around the skateboard swamp

783
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:38,530
and the the particular road Brown town

784
00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:40,899
road that crosses the swamp and then

785
00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:43,899
this particular bridge seems to be kind

786
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:45,340
of the epicenter where a lot of these

787
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:48,970
witness reports seem to be generated

788
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:51,310
from what do you think about that is

789
00:34:57,330 --> 00:34:53,770
that an indication that this particular

790
00:34:59,850 --> 00:34:57,340
creature was inhabiting that area and if

791
00:35:05,280 --> 00:34:59,860
so for how long I mean how what was the

792
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:05,290
duration of the sighting events well as

793
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:07,030
I mentioned the police had kind of put

794
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:09,460
out this APB on people who had seen it

795
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:11,890
to come forward and after after

796
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:13,810
Christopher Davis had come forward you

797
00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:15,670
know his is it been within a couple of

798
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:18,040
weeks some other guys had come forward

799
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:19,900
that had sightings dating back a couple

800
00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:23,950
of years so you know people in the area

801
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:26,920
had been seeing something strange

802
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:29,290
lurking down there for you know sometime

803
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,540
before it ever you know became public

804
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,240
knowledge which is typical in these

805
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:35,920
cases I find that you know you have a

806
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:37,300
lot of people it's going to see some

807
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:38,350
well what are they going to do they're

808
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:40,350
gonna run to the police or the newspaper

809
00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:44,650
it takes an event sort of like the

810
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:46,360
police getting involved in Christopher

811
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:48,370
Davis coming forward that all that some

812
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:49,990
other people will end up coming forward

813
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:52,030
and saying hey you know I saw this thing

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I just didn't tell anybody so you know

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it was it was most mostly in that

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and it's a place where you sort of where

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sort of meets that swampy bottom land a

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lot of undeveloped area and of course by

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me going there I can really determine

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you know is this a place where a large

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animal bit even roam but it is it is

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true that scape ore swamp is is fairly

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remote rugged I interviewed sheriff

826
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Truesdale when he told me about you know

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a lot of the history and how you know

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segment but he'll come back with it Lyle

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Blackburn is joining us his books the

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tell us more Lyle so you know by going

932
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to this area and seeing scape ore swamp

933
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:35,410
myself you know I could determine that

934
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you know it conceivably is an area where

935
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a large creature could remain undetected

936
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for some time it's hard to say you know

937
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if the alleged lizard man had been in

938
00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:48,580
the area for a long time I mean there

939
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just wasn't many sightings or none that

940
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we could trace back that went much

941
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:57,070
further back than the mid 80s so you

942
00:42:01,140 --> 00:41:59,170
know hard to say or you know was was a

943
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:01,150
creature passing through there which is

944
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certainly possible because it is a

945
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waterway and waterways seem to be a

946
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:09,540
place that these creatures are seen

947
00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:12,550
frequently you know from I mean from

948
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Bigfoot to other strange creatures they

949
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:17,020
travel the waterways I mean this is like

950
00:42:22,170 --> 00:42:19,050
a highway to him in a way to remain

951
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concealed and to stay near a source of

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water which is

953
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you know something they definitely need

954
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so it's not surprising that you could

955
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have a creature seen in one area for a

956
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short period of time and then maybe move

957
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on so you know if you widen the scope

958
00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:39,910
you can see that along the Ohio River

959
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,940
Valley and other nearby waterways that

960
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would eventually feed into South

961
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:47,859
Carolina that there are a history of you

962
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:49,390
know strange sightings there as well

963
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:53,050
well I noticed here that the national

964
00:42:58,740 --> 00:42:55,150
media really jumped all over these

965
00:43:02,760 --> 00:42:58,750
initial reports and that People magazine

966
00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:02,770
came down to Bishopville and Dan Rather

967
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:05,980
from CBS News now this is all within a

968
00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:10,960
month of the Chris Davis claim now do

969
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:13,540
you have a sense that possibly this

970
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:16,390
national exposure may have led to some

971
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people claiming that they saw this thing

972
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just to get attention or how do we

973
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factor out media coverage and people

974
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wanting to get their their names

975
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mentioned or their faces on the the

976
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local TV show or even a national TV show

977
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how do we separate the wheat from the

978
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chaff when it comes to that yeah it's

979
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certainly an interesting aspect of the

980
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story just how much media was going on I

981
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:44,290
mean it's just mind-blowing because the

982
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case was generating you know media on a

983
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national level and even international I

984
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think that if it was a case of a lot of

985
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people trying to get their name in the

986
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media and so forth there would have been

987
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a lot more sighting reports and being

988
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that the sheriff's office was looking

989
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into it monitoring it very closely I'm

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quite confident that most of the

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sightings you know had come to light at

992
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the time and I don't you know and I've

993
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:17,590
looked at each one and in some cases

994
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:19,510
talked to some of those witnesses and I

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00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:21,460
don't feel like any of them were making

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anything up especially to get in the

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media and most of them aside from

998
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Christopher Davis who just sort of

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reported what he saw before there was a

1000
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big media rush most of those people you

1001
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know they didn't do a lot of interviews

1002
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they were barely mentioned

1003
00:44:42,269 --> 00:44:39,729
the paper you know so they they didn't

1004
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:42,279
seem to be all about trying to you know

1005
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make something up of it so I didn't find

1006
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that they were you know trying to to get

1007
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media coverage I mean there was one guy

1008
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who actually perpetrated a hoax

1009
00:44:57,899 --> 00:44:56,589
which you know was he was busted and you

1010
00:45:00,209 --> 00:44:57,909
know it's an interesting part of this

1011
00:45:02,219 --> 00:45:00,219
story but it's the only guy that pulled

1012
00:45:03,929 --> 00:45:02,229
any shenanigans and sure enough that the

1013
00:45:06,659 --> 00:45:03,939
Sheriff's Office wasn't fooled by any of

1014
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:06,669
that and you know it came to light that

1015
00:45:12,179 --> 00:45:09,249
he never saw the Lizardman so I think

1016
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the the week from the safe has been

1017
00:45:16,439 --> 00:45:14,589
fairly sorted and I'm fairly confident

1018
00:45:19,319 --> 00:45:16,449
that those witnesses saw what they saw

1019
00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:19,329
well it's interesting I and I must

1020
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:21,880
compliment you Lyle on your timeline

1021
00:45:26,429 --> 00:45:23,650
that you provide at the end of the book

1022
00:45:29,699 --> 00:45:26,439
which goes down date by date all the

1023
00:45:31,799 --> 00:45:29,709
developments in this particular flap of

1024
00:45:35,759 --> 00:45:31,809
events and one thing that really comes

1025
00:45:39,029 --> 00:45:35,769
through impressively is you mentioned on

1026
00:45:41,759 --> 00:45:39,039
August 26 1988 a little over a month

1027
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:41,769
after Christopher Davis made his

1028
00:45:46,769 --> 00:45:44,619
sighting and and also Davis was given a

1029
00:45:48,839 --> 00:45:46,779
polygraph test which he passed as you

1030
00:45:51,509 --> 00:45:48,849
know it in your book but I see that a

1031
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:51,519
Colonel Mason Phillips of the Army Corps

1032
00:45:58,169 --> 00:45:54,880
of Engineers had a sighting in Lee

1033
00:45:59,579 --> 00:45:58,179
County and there were other you know

1034
00:46:02,809 --> 00:45:59,589
pillars of the community there was a

1035
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:02,819
rumored sighting by a bank president

1036
00:46:08,729 --> 00:46:06,849
there were others too that are the kinds

1037
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:08,739
of people in the kinds of positions that

1038
00:46:14,789 --> 00:46:11,890
you don't normally associate reporting

1039
00:46:18,089 --> 00:46:14,799
or telling stories that they'd seen a

1040
00:46:19,919 --> 00:46:18,099
creature of this sort generally most

1041
00:46:22,979 --> 00:46:19,929
people the skeptics out there think that

1042
00:46:24,659 --> 00:46:22,989
it's it's only people that are you know

1043
00:46:26,399 --> 00:46:24,669
smoke and crack and they're in their

1044
00:46:29,069 --> 00:46:26,409
trailer at the trailer park that see

1045
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,079
UFOs or strange creatures you mentioned

1046
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:31,839
some pretty reputable folks in your book

1047
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,209
and why don't we go in and talk about

1048
00:46:39,149 --> 00:46:36,400
some of the other sightings that happen

1049
00:46:42,059 --> 00:46:39,159
there the middle part and towards the

1050
00:46:44,759 --> 00:46:42,069
end of the summer of 1988 yeah certainly

1051
00:46:47,099 --> 00:46:44,769
and in that the colonel reporting that

1052
00:46:49,739 --> 00:46:47,109
sighting is another one that you you can

1053
00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:49,749
definitely say he wasn't looking for

1054
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:50,820
media attention and

1055
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:53,130
he he did not want his name used in the

1056
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:56,510
paper but he felt it to be his duty to

1057
00:47:02,720 --> 00:46:58,920
inform sheriff Truesdale about what he

1058
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:02,730
saw so you know in fact I mean he was

1059
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:05,850
risking his job really to go reporting

1060
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:07,650
something like that I saw a lizard man

1061
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:09,330
you know that's not great on the

1062
00:47:15,350 --> 00:47:12,840
Colonel's resume so and in fact he did

1063
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:15,360
not want his name used I know his real

1064
00:47:20,810 --> 00:47:18,210
name and I honored that original request

1065
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,820
that had not be used in the paper so I

1066
00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:23,400
had to do a little switching on his name

1067
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:26,820
that there to keep it anonymous so he is

1068
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:29,370
still you know he's actually passed on

1069
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:32,010
but his wife is alive but but that was

1070
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:33,660
an interesting sighting it was you know

1071
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:35,550
rather brief he saw it run across the

1072
00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:37,530
road it was interesting though that he

1073
00:47:41,810 --> 00:47:39,840
said he thought it had a tail whereas

1074
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:41,820
most people did not describe the

1075
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:44,190
creature as having a tail now the media

1076
00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:46,770
always kind of drew it as some kind of a

1077
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:50,820
silly dinosaur looking alligator man but

1078
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:52,410
that's not really what people described

1079
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:54,570
they described more of a just humanoid

1080
00:48:00,380 --> 00:47:57,480
creature without a tail but he did

1081
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:00,390
describe a tail and you know it was a

1082
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,770
very brief sighting later later some

1083
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:06,240
other guys came forward one of those

1084
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:08,370
being Frank Mitchell he had had a

1085
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:11,940
sighting actually from his airplane he

1086
00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:16,200
was a crop duster and during that summer

1087
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:18,750
actually prior to Chris Davis's sighting

1088
00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:21,330
he was taken off from his runway and he

1089
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:24,990
looked down he saw some sort of strange

1090
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:29,160
creature running out in the open just

1091
00:48:33,590 --> 00:48:32,130
between two sets of woods of course he's

1092
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,600
in the plane he's trying to look down

1093
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:35,520
and look back and it you know got out of

1094
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:37,230
sight so he didn't have a very long look

1095
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:38,970
at it but he was quite certain it wasn't

1096
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:43,290
a person running across there that you

1097
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:45,000
know it could have possibly been what

1098
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,790
people were dubbing the lizard man so I

1099
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,220
spent some time with Frank at his house

1100
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:53,400
and discussed it with him and again I

1101
00:48:59,600 --> 00:48:55,610
just don't feel like he's making this up

1102
00:49:02,720 --> 00:48:59,610
he didn't receive great media coverage

1103
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,730
or riches or fame from it he just saying

1104
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:04,480
here's what I saw you know

1105
00:49:09,450 --> 00:49:06,070
another interesting event that you

1106
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:09,460
mentioned is an airman from Shaw Air

1107
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:12,490
Force Base Kenneth or who claims he

1108
00:49:17,730 --> 00:49:15,720
actually took a shot at the Lizardman

1109
00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:17,740
once you describe that particular

1110
00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:20,320
encounter and bear in mind - we have two

1111
00:49:24,839 --> 00:49:22,540
minutes till we do the break so if we

1112
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:24,849
have to split up the comment Lyle will

1113
00:49:33,089 --> 00:49:30,040
do it go ahead okay yeah that Kenneth or

1114
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:33,099
was the one I mentioned that was ended

1115
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:34,780
up being a hoax

1116
00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:37,990
he said he encountered the lizard man

1117
00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:40,540
while driving in his car he got out he

1118
00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:43,900
shot it and what he did was bring some

1119
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:46,869
fish scales down to share the sheriff's

1120
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:49,690
office as evidence of this having

1121
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:51,910
occurred well it didn't take long for

1122
00:50:00,089 --> 00:49:57,880
them to sort out the truth and you know

1123
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,099
they knew fish scales I mean sheriff

1124
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:01,839
Truesdale fished plenty of times he

1125
00:50:05,069 --> 00:50:03,490
wasn't fooled by any of this so there

1126
00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:05,079
was a case where yeah there was somebody

1127
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,150
trying to perpetrate a hoax and he said

1128
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:09,760
he did it to keep the legend alive I

1129
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:11,950
guess he felt it was his duty I mean I

1130
00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:14,770
don't know but like right busted for

1131
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:17,140
having an unregistered gun as you note

1132
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:19,930
in your in your time line here right

1133
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:23,530
yeah and so he ended up you know getting

1134
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:25,690
in worse trouble so you know there's a

1135
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:27,640
case and it's an interesting part of the

1136
00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:31,119
story but certainly one that you know

1137
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:35,380
has played out and does not support you

1138
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:36,760
know the sightings it's interesting

1139
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:38,530
another interesting aspect of that

1140
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:40,510
recently I saw a comment on the internet

1141
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,910
where that dude's brother said that he

1142
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:44,800
was responsible for all the Lizardman

1143
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:48,220
sightings he was the one who frightened

1144
00:50:53,099 --> 00:50:50,140
Christopher Davis he was wearing some

1145
00:50:55,170 --> 00:50:53,109
kind of a mask because he passed there

1146
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:55,180
by there at night on his way home from

1147
00:51:01,020 --> 00:50:58,720
work at Shaw Air Force Base so all of

1148
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:01,030
its nonsense because I know where the

1149
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:02,740
guy lived at the time I know where Shaw

1150
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:04,750
Air Force Base is he did not have to

1151
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:07,290
pass anywhere near scape ore swamp

1152
00:51:11,609 --> 00:51:09,609
there's a lot of things that didn't add

1153
00:51:13,859 --> 00:51:11,619
up so you have a lot of people later on

1154
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:13,869
trying to claim that there I was the

1155
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:15,050
lizard man

1156
00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:18,030
but it's almost like confessing to a

1157
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:20,550
crime that you don't have some you know

1158
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:23,970
backup for Lyle Blackburn joins gene and

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1185
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1186
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1187
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1188
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1189
00:52:43,259 --> 00:52:39,759
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1190
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1191
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1218
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:12,780
here's Jane Steinberg the para cast

1219
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:15,210
we're talking about the various

1220
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:17,670
creatures and sightings that Lyle

1221
00:54:21,289 --> 00:54:19,770
Blackburn's reported one thing that

1222
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:21,299
bothers me when I read about these

1223
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:23,640
stories not that there is not

1224
00:54:27,529 --> 00:54:25,140
possibility they're true

1225
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:27,539
they certainly sound mysterious but it's

1226
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,630
generally one creature we have a lizard

1227
00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:33,180
man where's the lizard woman where's the

1228
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,599
lizard kids why is it generally just one

1229
00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:38,700
most of the time it's a singular

1230
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,829
creature yeah that's true and that's

1231
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,900
certainly something that doesn't bode

1232
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:45,119
well for the credibility of these

1233
00:54:50,059 --> 00:54:47,579
creatures you know in a case like the

1234
00:54:51,799 --> 00:54:50,069
lizard man you know there aren't just a

1235
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,809
heck of a lot of sightings so it's

1236
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:53,760
possible that you know what people saw

1237
00:54:59,359 --> 00:54:56,579
just what was an adult male if it's a

1238
00:55:00,859 --> 00:54:59,369
real creature you start widening you

1239
00:55:02,990 --> 00:55:00,869
know the investigations if you're

1240
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:03,000
looking at Bigfoot ID you know that I do

1241
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:05,190
get a lot of reports where people have

1242
00:55:10,279 --> 00:55:08,010
seen multiple creatures or a baby one or

1243
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:10,289
this and that so I'm not sure in the

1244
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,450
case of the lizard man you know if there

1245
00:55:16,339 --> 00:55:14,160
was a family or why it was just one

1246
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:16,349
creature it's but you know that's always

1247
00:55:21,019 --> 00:55:18,660
the case where it's this the solitary

1248
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:21,029
strange entity and people see it and

1249
00:55:26,809 --> 00:55:24,569
it's gone it's hard to know why that is

1250
00:55:29,089 --> 00:55:26,819
you know well you also you think if

1251
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,099
they're real this is the hunter the man

1252
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:31,980
the male of the species is the hunter

1253
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:34,020
gatherer and maybe somewhere in the

1254
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:36,390
forest somewhere somewhere near the lake

1255
00:55:42,289 --> 00:55:39,270
or whatever it is you have the female

1256
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:42,299
and the kids being shielded from

1257
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:44,819
outsiders just wondering this trying to

1258
00:55:48,859 --> 00:55:47,099
answer this sure yeah I mean that you

1259
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:48,869
know that's true I mean a lot of times

1260
00:55:54,019 --> 00:55:51,839
you'll see a solitary bear or a solitary

1261
00:55:56,809 --> 00:55:54,029
cougar you know the male hunting and

1262
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:56,819
things and whereas the mother and babies

1263
00:56:01,519 --> 00:55:59,160
are definitely going to stay you know

1264
00:56:03,980 --> 00:56:01,529
more concealed you know and away from

1265
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:03,990
highways and roads and people and things

1266
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:06,510
so you know there's ways you can look at

1267
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:08,770
it to sort of support it either way

1268
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:10,450
now in your book you mentioned that some

1269
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:12,730
of these sightings feature descriptions

1270
00:56:19,350 --> 00:56:16,240
of what I guess would sound more like a

1271
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,360
skunk ape that there seems to be some

1272
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,240
kind of crossover between a reptilian

1273
00:56:29,070 --> 00:56:25,119
type form versus something that's more

1274
00:56:31,859 --> 00:56:29,080
of a hominid or like a skunk ape type

1275
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:31,869
form why don't you go in and sort of

1276
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:34,450
address that particular issue what you

1277
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:36,730
do in your book right yeah that was one

1278
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,710
thing that I learned as I really started

1279
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:41,200
looking into the case I mean most of the

1280
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:42,850
time if you read about this in a

1281
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:45,250
cryptozoology book or on the Internet

1282
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:47,050
you know primarily they talk about the

1283
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,060
Christopher Davis sighting they talk

1284
00:56:55,530 --> 00:56:52,240
about you know as in terms of reptilian

1285
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:55,540
aspects and traits you know it is called

1286
00:57:01,830 --> 00:56:57,970
the lizard man so that leads your mind

1287
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:01,840
to a certain general image you have when

1288
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:03,490
you hear that name but as I looked into

1289
00:57:08,070 --> 00:57:05,710
this I found that the media had

1290
00:57:10,109 --> 00:57:08,080
portrayed it as sort of this you know

1291
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:10,119
more outlandish Creature from the Black

1292
00:57:16,940 --> 00:57:13,330
Lagoon meets an alligator man type thing

1293
00:57:19,859 --> 00:57:16,950
the witnesses described something more

1294
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:19,869
shadowy you know it was humanoid they

1295
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:21,910
weren't sure sometimes it was green or

1296
00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:24,670
brown and then some of the witnesses who

1297
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:27,340
got a you know presumably a closer look

1298
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:29,560
usually in the headlight said they

1299
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:31,390
thought it had a hair and it looked like

1300
00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:35,070
a Bigfoot so that you know that leads to

1301
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:37,960
possibilities and theories that perhaps

1302
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:40,810
you know this wasn't maybe a reptilian

1303
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:42,520
or perhaps people saw two different

1304
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:43,390
creatures

1305
00:57:47,550 --> 00:57:44,890
you know perhaps who you know

1306
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:47,560
Christopher Davis saw a Bigfoot who had

1307
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:49,270
come up out of skateboard swamp and it

1308
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:51,730
was wet or it had a hair conditioner it

1309
00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:54,160
was mangy or you know any number of

1310
00:57:57,180 --> 00:57:54,820
things

1311
00:57:59,880 --> 00:57:57,190
the pilot Frank Mitchell the crop duster

1312
00:58:02,430 --> 00:57:59,890
said he thought it walked very monkey

1313
00:58:05,609 --> 00:58:02,440
like its arms were long he said it was

1314
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:05,619
kind of loping over he said you know in

1315
00:58:11,370 --> 00:58:08,170
his opinion it looked somewhat primate

1316
00:58:14,010 --> 00:58:11,380
and he saw it in daylight although he

1317
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:14,020
was you know taking off in the plane you

1318
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:15,460
know I started to think well you know

1319
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,660
maybe reptilian humanoid isn't the only

1320
00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:21,920
possibility you know and I laid

1321
00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:23,990
the sightings that would support that of

1322
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:25,880
course you know in my book I just try to

1323
00:58:30,610 --> 00:58:28,400
bring it all forward and let's take a

1324
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:30,620
look at it you know not to say that it

1325
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:32,630
wasn't two different creatures one of

1326
00:58:36,670 --> 00:58:34,520
them reptilian one of them you know

1327
00:58:39,060 --> 00:58:36,680
being a skunk ape or what-have-you but a

1328
00:58:41,710 --> 00:58:39,070
certain Oh certainly opens the

1329
00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:41,720
possibilities and you know adds more

1330
00:58:47,770 --> 00:58:45,020
pieces to the puzzle well for people who

1331
00:58:50,410 --> 00:58:47,780
aren't as well-versed in this particular

1332
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:50,420
subject matter and who have maybe a

1333
00:58:54,970 --> 00:58:52,730
peripheral interest South Carolina

1334
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:54,980
doesn't come up on on the radar as a

1335
00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:58,370
place where you normally equate Bigfoot

1336
00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:00,920
sightings or these strange kind of

1337
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:04,220
crypto creatures in researching the

1338
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:06,290
state especially around this particular

1339
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:09,910
area is there some sort of history of

1340
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:13,010
Bigfoot type sightings other creature

1341
00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:16,460
sightings can you give us a sense of the

1342
00:59:22,180 --> 00:59:19,550
kind of local folklore urban legends

1343
00:59:24,670 --> 00:59:22,190
that may come into play here a little

1344
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:24,680
bit yeah certainly you know and that was

1345
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:27,650
one of the things as I you know begin to

1346
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:29,570
look at the witness descriptions that

1347
00:59:34,810 --> 00:59:32,150
described it in terms of you know of a

1348
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:34,820
hairy hominid or humanoid or whatever

1349
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:38,090
and let me know that these witness

1350
00:59:43,410 --> 00:59:41,270
statements were very precise because in

1351
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:43,420
this case that was actual police

1352
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:45,710
documentation people had reported seeing

1353
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,330
something and the sheriff had the

1354
00:59:51,130 --> 00:59:49,520
wherewithal that make him come in he

1355
00:59:53,620 --> 00:59:51,140
separated people and had them write down

1356
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:53,630
what they saw so I have that written

1357
00:59:58,900 --> 00:59:56,930
documentation which was made days after

1358
01:00:00,940 --> 00:59:58,910
their sighting so I'm quite sure they

1359
01:00:02,650 --> 01:00:00,950
didn't you know they didn't change their

1360
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:02,660
story over the years or anything like

1361
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:04,070
that they did describe something they

1362
01:00:08,530 --> 01:00:06,950
thought had hair so as I looked into the

1363
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,540
possibility of are there Bigfoot's

1364
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:10,400
living in the area that could have been

1365
01:00:15,790 --> 01:00:13,220
confused as a lizard man I did find that

1366
01:00:17,590 --> 01:00:15,800
there are Bigfoot sightings in South

1367
01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:17,600
Carolina it you know it's not one of the

1368
01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:18,920
most prominent states where you have

1369
01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:22,280
things like that but I talked to one of

1370
01:00:27,250 --> 01:00:24,200
my colleagues out there Mike Richburg

1371
01:00:29,290 --> 01:00:27,260
who had you know done more research into

1372
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,300
that and he had quite a few sightings

1373
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:31,040
that he had investigated of bigfoot-like

1374
01:00:37,329 --> 01:00:35,210
creatures there's also some other more

1375
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,339
legend type creatures there's one called

1376
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:40,160
the hidebehind which is sort of a

1377
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:43,310
primate like creature that often seen

1378
01:00:48,220 --> 01:00:46,250
hiding behind trees sometimes it's said

1379
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,230
to be more monkey like or even have

1380
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,720
three toes so you know that's that's an

1381
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:52,880
interesting thing and certainly a

1382
01:00:58,599 --> 01:00:56,450
creature that you know is by all you

1383
01:01:01,000 --> 01:00:58,609
know accounts more primate but still

1384
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:01,010
maybe not a Bigfoot so you know there's

1385
01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:02,570
definitely Bigfoot sightings out there

1386
01:01:06,790 --> 01:01:05,150
and if it's it's one of those things

1387
01:01:08,770 --> 01:01:06,800
where you start digging into it you go

1388
01:01:10,810 --> 01:01:08,780
to the area you start talking to

1389
01:01:12,310 --> 01:01:10,820
colleagues that have lived there all

1390
01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:12,320
their lives sure enough you start

1391
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:15,190
turning up a whole bunch of supporting

1392
01:01:20,859 --> 01:01:19,130
backlog of creature sightings that you

1393
01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:20,869
can bring forth when you're

1394
01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:22,670
investigating the case

1395
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:25,670
well you mentioned an interesting kind

1396
01:01:31,329 --> 01:01:28,550
of detail which I find intriguing and

1397
01:01:34,510 --> 01:01:31,339
that is three toes now in the book you

1398
01:01:37,690 --> 01:01:34,520
show a photograph of what is alleged to

1399
01:01:41,050 --> 01:01:37,700
be a track which is very obvious to have

1400
01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:41,060
three toes and also a photograph of a

1401
01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:43,640
cast that was taken of tracks why don't

1402
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:46,390
you address before we go to break

1403
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,089
physical evidence and and the analysis

1404
01:01:54,130 --> 01:01:52,640
of some of this trackway evidence well

1405
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:54,140
it's interesting that a lot of these

1406
01:01:59,800 --> 01:01:57,650
swamp creatures in cryptozoology are

1407
01:02:02,050 --> 01:01:59,810
said to have three toes and when

1408
01:02:04,210 --> 01:02:02,060
footprints are found you know in these

1409
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:04,220
area is even a creature the honey island

1410
01:02:09,370 --> 01:02:07,130
swamp monster it has three toes and the

1411
01:02:12,790 --> 01:02:09,380
lizard man follows suit with that at the

1412
01:02:16,570 --> 01:02:12,800
time during 1988 the police actually

1413
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:16,580
came across a set of tracks that have

1414
01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:18,950
been left in a dirt road near Brown Town

1415
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:21,980
Road and they were curious three toed

1416
01:02:27,550 --> 01:02:25,010
tracks and you know these are alleged to

1417
01:02:30,490 --> 01:02:27,560
be the tracks of the lizard man and this

1418
01:02:33,099 --> 01:02:30,500
is you know some solid evidence however

1419
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,109
when I looked at those tracks they just

1420
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:34,640
don't add up and these have been

1421
01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:37,130
featured on a few different television

1422
01:02:44,770 --> 01:02:41,390
shows Josh gates investigated this this

1423
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:44,780
thing in on Destination Truth and I mean

1424
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:46,970
we basically come to conclusions these

1425
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:49,510
tracks are dubious at bad

1426
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:52,210
however that being said my colleague

1427
01:02:58,260 --> 01:02:55,450
right Mike Richburg said he actually has

1428
01:03:00,330 --> 01:02:58,270
found some tracks around that time

1429
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:00,340
period that he believed were three toes

1430
01:03:08,070 --> 01:03:03,730
so while the most famous Lizardman track

1431
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:08,080
tracks have a dubious origin there were

1432
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:10,510
some other reports that kind of support

1433
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:13,300
this three-toed thing and so you know

1434
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:15,610
short of having a body of one of these

1435
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:17,710
things to actually verify the number of

1436
01:03:22,590 --> 01:03:19,450
toes you just sort of have to start

1437
01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:22,600
making guesses you know is this a you

1438
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:24,700
know is this a natural form that they

1439
01:03:30,330 --> 01:03:27,310
take is this due to inbreeding is it a

1440
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:30,340
deeper deformity you know just why would

1441
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,990
they have three toes because most

1442
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:34,240
upright it you know all upright animals

1443
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:37,210
would have you know five primate so

1444
01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:39,430
forth we got more coming with Lyle

1445
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:41,470
Blackburn with gene and Chris you're in

1446
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:50,050
the very cast first game attack of the

1447
01:03:53,550 --> 01:03:51,490
rockets and it was a critically

1448
01:03:55,530 --> 01:03:53,560
acclaimed success and now there's the

1449
01:03:57,660 --> 01:03:55,540
coming of the protectors a former

1450
01:04:00,060 --> 01:03:57,670
military intelligence man is contacted

1451
01:04:02,490 --> 01:04:00,070
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

1452
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:02,500
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

1453
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:04,090
forces on our distant planet are

1454
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:05,350
planning to conquer the earth

1455
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:07,990
this is gripping science fiction of the

1456
01:04:12,510 --> 01:04:10,450
classic kind attack of the rock codes

1457
01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:12,520
and the coming of the protectors find

1458
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:14,590
out more at rock odes calm that's

1459
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:19,270
rockets our ock oids calm so here's what

1460
01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:21,040
happened i was placing an order online

1461
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:23,980
the site went down it just stopped

1462
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,410
responding it took hours before it

1463
01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:28,240
returned but i'd already placed the

1464
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:29,950
order with another company if your site

1465
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goes down you could lose business and if

1466
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you have a business or personal site

1467
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1468
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1469
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1470
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1472
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1473
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:52,210
unemployment at depression levels europe

1474
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financial system falling apart china

1475
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:56,410
getting out of US Treasuries at the end

1476
01:05:01,230 --> 01:04:59,050
of 2008 the time of tarp the national

1477
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debt was at eleven trillion gold trading

1478
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,599
around $850

1479
01:05:06,969 --> 01:05:05,359
per ounce close to 2012 the national

1480
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debt exceeded sixteen point four

1481
01:05:11,620 --> 01:05:09,920
trillion Gaul doubled a $1600 promise

1482
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:11,630
the twenty trillion threshold for the

1483
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,970
national debt is inevitable politicians

1484
01:05:18,249 --> 01:05:15,680
in Washington have a ferocious appetite

1485
01:05:20,859 --> 01:05:18,259
for spending and stimulus what's worse a

1486
01:05:22,749 --> 01:05:20,869
printing press to finance 100 years ago

1487
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,759
we had a gold standard to limit this

1488
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:24,799
madness but now you have to adopt your

1489
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own gold standard don't be fooled with

1490
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paper promises get Midas resources 10

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1492
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1494
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1496
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1501
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1505
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pressure naturally how would that make

1506
01:06:58,420 --> 01:06:56,539
you feel I'm from Mexico I had a heart

1507
01:06:59,520 --> 01:06:58,430
attack then my real health began going

1508
01:07:02,040 --> 01:06:59,530
downhill and I

1509
01:07:03,570 --> 01:07:02,050
had high blood pressure high blood sugar

1510
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:03,580
and poor vision and I really was a

1511
01:07:07,740 --> 01:07:05,890
sleeping well I was a mess pretty much

1512
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1513
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:09,520
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1514
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1515
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:13,630
a few days I started sleeping a lot

1516
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1517
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,540
my blood pressure normalized my blood

1518
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sugar normalized and Leslie probably did

1519
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1520
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1521
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1524
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1525
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1526
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1527
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1528
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1529
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1530
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1531
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1532
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1535
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creatures creature sightings I don't

1536
01:08:19,289 --> 01:08:16,120
know that I'd ever want to be around one

1537
01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:19,299
of those places I know Chris gets into

1538
01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:22,150
those parts too Lyle Blackburn have you

1539
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,910
personally seen anything weird no

1540
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:26,799
unfortunately I've never had a visual

1541
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:29,980
sighting that I could definitively say

1542
01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:33,370
is a unknown creature so you know I'm

1543
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:37,150
still like many people just looking for

1544
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:40,810
that lucky chance or or what-have-you so

1545
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,410
so far I haven't what kind of equipment

1546
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:46,799
do you bring with you when you do these

1547
01:08:51,690 --> 01:08:48,910
explorations are you prepared in case

1548
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:51,700
you do see something yeah I mean I'm not

1549
01:08:58,410 --> 01:08:54,940
a big gearhead but I do carry a good

1550
01:09:02,280 --> 01:08:58,420
quality camera usually an audio

1551
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:02,290
recording device you know I mean you

1552
01:09:05,579 --> 01:09:03,670
know the more money you have the more of

1553
01:09:07,289 --> 01:09:05,589
this fancy equipment has become

1554
01:09:09,150 --> 01:09:07,299
available you know thermal imaging I

1555
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:09,160
think is a great great thing I used to

1556
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:12,310
own a night-vision binoculars but those

1557
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:13,120
are you know

1558
01:09:19,380 --> 01:09:16,750
fairly limited to you know a shorter

1559
01:09:21,630 --> 01:09:19,390
distance and you know hard to see if it

1560
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:21,640
traipsing through a swamp you know hard

1561
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,770
to be looking through that so you know

1562
01:09:28,650 --> 01:09:25,359
while technology gives us some

1563
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,660
advantages it still is a limit you know

1564
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:30,880
because you've got to actually see the

1565
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:32,950
creature and see it within a fairly

1566
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:34,930
short distance even to see it through

1567
01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:36,040
night vision and things like that

1568
01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:38,440
whereas thermal imaging would give you a

1569
01:09:44,220 --> 01:09:42,100
longer range of view so I carry just a

1570
01:09:46,710 --> 01:09:44,230
minimal amount of equipment I guess I

1571
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:46,720
would say well the tape recorder is real

1572
01:09:50,610 --> 01:09:48,370
important obviously a lot of this

1573
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:50,620
information the vast majority of it is

1574
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:52,770
going to be anecdotal in nature

1575
01:09:58,410 --> 01:09:56,230
interviewing witnesses one of the things

1576
01:10:02,130 --> 01:09:58,420
that strikes me about this particular

1577
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:02,140
outbreak in South Carolina is that the

1578
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:04,630
quality of witnesses is fairly high and

1579
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:07,300
we also have two cases that feature

1580
01:10:12,090 --> 01:10:09,730
physical evidence of damage to vehicles

1581
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:12,100
now we talked about the wide family

1582
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:13,690
let's talk about the other case that

1583
01:10:19,770 --> 01:10:16,090
featured you know some pretty

1584
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:19,780
significant damage to to car yeah that

1585
01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:21,700
that's another interesting aspect to the

1586
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:24,550
case there were two other incidents one

1587
01:10:30,420 --> 01:10:27,970
in 2008 and one in 2011 I believe in

1588
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,430
which people in the vicinity of scape

1589
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:33,520
ore swamp reported this same type of

1590
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:37,360
vehicular vandalism that appeared to

1591
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:40,230
have been perpetrated by an animal and

1592
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:44,170
so when it happened in 2008 you know

1593
01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:46,930
sort of since 1988 that was like the

1594
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,340
20th year anniversary

1595
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:50,560
you know the Lizardman sightings so that

1596
01:10:54,660 --> 01:10:53,050
was interesting and the police did

1597
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:54,670
investigate that and felt that the

1598
01:10:58,530 --> 01:10:56,410
people you know had a legitimate claim

1599
01:11:00,240 --> 01:10:58,540
they weren't trying to seek publicity or

1600
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:00,250
anything else there's something happened

1601
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,530
to their car now of course fast forward

1602
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:05,440
to 2008 we have a lot more technology on

1603
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:07,510
our side they were able to run some DNA

1604
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:10,480
on that and determined that it was

1605
01:11:17,790 --> 01:11:13,510
canine and so while the police actually

1606
01:11:21,570 --> 01:11:17,800
weren't even sold on that result perhaps

1607
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:21,580
you know dogs did it that's got to be an

1608
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:24,100
angry pack of dogs boy to do that kind

1609
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:26,820
of damage yeah I mean it is

1610
01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:29,850
it is just crazy just to think that you

1611
01:11:34,750 --> 01:11:31,320
know that they that would be a dog but

1612
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:34,760
with these car cases they were also

1613
01:11:39,260 --> 01:11:36,780
circumstantial I mean nobody ever saw

1614
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:39,270
the Lizardman and then saw it damaged a

1615
01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:42,480
car so it was just a thin connection

1616
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:44,430
between the two but definitely something

1617
01:11:49,940 --> 01:11:47,250
weird that plays into the whole case

1618
01:11:52,730 --> 01:11:49,950
that this keeps happening down there in

1619
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:52,740
the same area no matter who's doing it

1620
01:11:56,810 --> 01:11:54,690
whether it's a dog or a lizard man it's

1621
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:56,820
just it just adds up to be a lot of

1622
01:12:01,700 --> 01:11:59,760
weird stuff going on in this area well

1623
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:01,710
speaking of that we we have a number of

1624
01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:05,580
questions from listeners who are able to

1625
01:12:11,540 --> 01:12:07,800
post questions for our guests at forum

1626
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:11,550
dr. Peres cast calm and a new member who

1627
01:12:20,660 --> 01:12:15,060
signed up on Monday with the hashtag

1628
01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:20,670
team sheepsquatch no shall we say has a

1629
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:22,920
couple of questions and the first one is

1630
01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:24,450
in the case of the lizard man how many

1631
01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:26,160
credible witnesses did you speak with

1632
01:12:31,940 --> 01:12:29,940
and from what he understands these

1633
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:31,950
sightings occur all over Lee County and

1634
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,370
he says I have read probably 25 reports

1635
01:12:39,380 --> 01:12:36,960
from people that definitely had some

1636
01:12:42,380 --> 01:12:39,390
kind of experience how widespread is

1637
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:42,390
this and is it just exclusively focused

1638
01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:45,810
on on the on the swamp area there or are

1639
01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:48,600
there cases outside of that area well

1640
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:50,700
I'm not sure where he's getting these I

1641
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:53,010
mean I've spent considerable amount of

1642
01:12:58,340 --> 01:12:54,830
time tracing down different witnesses

1643
01:13:01,790 --> 01:12:58,350
and there were some reports you know in

1644
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:01,800
the greater area of Lee County that

1645
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:03,810
occurred much later and a lot of these

1646
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:06,780
were found by the police to be very

1647
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sketchy I mean one lady was very well

1648
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,740
known to be kind of crazy and these were

1649
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:15,840
connected to UFO reports and other

1650
01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:19,140
things like that so in my case I focused

1651
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:21,270
in on the history of the Bishopville

1652
01:13:27,620 --> 01:13:24,300
lizard man what seemed to be that

1653
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:27,630
creature now you know a lot of a lot of

1654
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,060
the witnesses have passed away I spoke

1655
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:32,880
to Frank Mitchell I spoke to one other

1656
01:13:38,690 --> 01:13:35,460
that didn't want to be included in the

1657
01:13:40,129 --> 01:13:38,700
book but just verified what had been

1658
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:40,139
written in in his original

1659
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:43,110
witness report which I had a file with

1660
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the police and in another case like I

1661
01:13:51,859 --> 01:13:48,690
said again I I had these written witness

1662
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:51,869
reports that had been done within days

1663
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:54,300
of seeing the creature that I could

1664
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,080
refer to which was great because again

1665
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,239
I'm not interviewing somebody 40 years

1666
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:03,600
later I'm I'm looking at what they had

1667
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:06,060
seen and their reactions at that very

1668
01:14:12,169 --> 01:14:08,280
time when it was fresh on their minds so

1669
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that was a benefit so unfortunately with

1670
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,520
with so many of them having passed on I

1671
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:16,560
could refer to the sheriff Liston

1672
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Truesdale who was the one who actually

1673
01:14:24,340 --> 01:14:21,300
interviewed these people when it

1674
01:14:27,709 --> 01:14:24,350
happened and of course having him

1675
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:27,719
consulting with me as I investigated was

1676
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a great benefit and he he could help me

1677
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:33,260
sort out you know just what was true and

1678
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,570
about the case and and fill me fill in

1679
01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:38,159
the gaps where where a lot of the

1680
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:41,159
witnesses had passed on yeah I find that

1681
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:43,800
local law enforcement if they're willing

1682
01:14:50,859 --> 01:14:46,980
to even get involved publicly if they're

1683
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intrigued enough they tend to be real

1684
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:54,210
really good sources of information and

1685
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,690
and I think very credible because

1686
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obviously they have an elected position

1687
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that you know makes them cautious and

1688
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conservative in one sense but if they

1689
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feel that there's something to an

1690
01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:09,600
outbreak of events and they're willing

1691
01:15:15,970 --> 01:15:12,030
to work with with investigators I I find

1692
01:15:19,129 --> 01:15:15,980
that very very advantageous now teams

1693
01:15:20,990 --> 01:15:19,139
sheepsquatch an interesting name has a

1694
01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:21,000
second question we don't have much time

1695
01:15:24,919 --> 01:15:22,679
before the break but let me pose it

1696
01:15:27,919 --> 01:15:24,929
Christopher Davis supposedly found a

1697
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:27,929
shed and he says similar to snakeskin

1698
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,570
I'm not sure about that but evidently

1699
01:15:35,930 --> 01:15:33,360
Davis found this several years after his

1700
01:15:37,609 --> 01:15:35,940
initial sighting do you have any info on

1701
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:37,619
this and do you believe that this shed

1702
01:15:46,930 --> 01:15:43,920
even exists yeah that that's just not

1703
01:15:49,310 --> 01:15:46,940
true at all I don't know I'm not sure

1704
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:49,320
where he got that particular information

1705
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:53,850
but he's partially confusing

1706
01:16:00,650 --> 01:15:57,890
the story which involves this this

1707
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:00,660
building called the Butterbean shed in

1708
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which was nearby to where his incident

1709
01:16:12,230 --> 01:16:09,060
occurred and there's there's a long

1710
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story about this whole Davis incident

1711
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and the fact that a local farmer at

1712
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first said he was he was the one he was

1713
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trying to scare off kids away from his

1714
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shed and then he said he didn't let's

1715
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pause here and continue that answer

1716
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:28,410
explaining what this local farmer did

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1825
01:21:01,170 --> 01:20:59,210
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1826
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listening to the Peres cast

1827
01:21:15,650 --> 01:21:12,230
we have Jean and Chris the lizard person

1828
01:21:17,420 --> 01:21:15,660
talking to Lyle Blackburn and you were

1829
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just defining an answer to one of

1830
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Chris's questions Lyle go ahead please

1831
01:21:25,220 --> 01:21:23,430
so yes there was a butter being shed and

1832
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this involved a farmer which lived

1833
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nearby where Christopher Davis said the

1834
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incident occurred and I find this a lot

1835
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of times that you see a lot of stuff on

1836
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the internet and things that have just

1837
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sort of twisted and turned and the story

1838
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,830
becomes completely incorrect you know

1839
01:21:49,820 --> 01:21:47,040
such as Christopher Davis finding lizard

1840
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skins and things that just just never

1841
01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:53,730
happened but again they do sort of I can

1842
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see where they've rooted in something

1843
01:21:59,870 --> 01:21:57,960
that was real such as the butter bean

1844
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,880
shed and then just sort of morphed into

1845
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something else so the short answer is

1846
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:04,320
that never happened Christopher Davis

1847
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never had any other experience with the

1848
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lizard man in fact he tried to distance

1849
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himself as much as he could because it

1850
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kind of messed up the kid's life I mean

1851
01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:16,140
he didn't you know from then on out he's

1852
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:18,150
known as you know the kid who saw the

1853
01:22:22,010 --> 01:22:20,850
lizard man and it kind of haunted him

1854
01:22:24,620 --> 01:22:22,020
you know a lot of people just never

1855
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:24,630
believed him you know and people wanted

1856
01:22:28,580 --> 01:22:26,940
to keep asking questions so he just he

1857
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:28,590
ended up having to move away and didn't

1858
01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:30,540
want anything to do with it that kind of

1859
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,460
affected his the rest of his life so he

1860
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:34,560
wasn't out there looking in sheds or

1861
01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:36,930
looking for evidence of a lizard man or

1862
01:22:41,060 --> 01:22:38,790
anything like that just just never

1863
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:41,070
happened you mentioned the rest of his

1864
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:43,650
life Christopher Davis met a violin and

1865
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and other people associated with the

1866
01:22:53,420 --> 01:22:50,670
case died in kind of interesting to note

1867
01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:53,430
ways why don't you describe some of

1868
01:22:57,140 --> 01:22:55,320
those yeah that was something I

1869
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:57,150
discovered as I was doing the research

1870
01:23:01,190 --> 01:22:58,800
that you know there was something that

1871
01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:01,200
you know could be a curse of the lizard

1872
01:23:08,990 --> 01:23:04,110
man so to speak Christopher Davis namely

1873
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:09,000
it was actually murdered in his house

1874
01:23:15,260 --> 01:23:13,050
years later unfortunately he had started

1875
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:15,270
out as a very good young man and

1876
01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:18,610
interested in in sports and

1877
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:20,860
in high school and just just an average

1878
01:23:26,340 --> 01:23:23,290
kid but later on he got involved in

1879
01:23:29,130 --> 01:23:26,350
drugs and things like that which ended

1880
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:29,140
up getting him killed literally right in

1881
01:23:34,890 --> 01:23:30,970
front of his family which was just nuts

1882
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:34,900
and I talked to sheriff Truesdale about

1883
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,110
that and he definitely thought that you

1884
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:40,960
know the result of him

1885
01:23:45,180 --> 01:23:43,210
seeing the Lizardman the result of all

1886
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:45,190
the media press that had gone on about

1887
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:47,770
it and having to deal with that the rest

1888
01:23:55,460 --> 01:23:51,100
of his life you know could be a factor

1889
01:23:59,250 --> 01:23:55,470
as to why he sort of got off the path

1890
01:24:01,560 --> 01:23:59,260
now some of the other witnesses this

1891
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:01,570
young man who had seen it with his

1892
01:24:11,060 --> 01:24:06,340
family the blythers family in 1990 he

1893
01:24:13,290 --> 01:24:11,070
was killed in a car accident later the

1894
01:24:17,180 --> 01:24:13,300
original witness

1895
01:24:19,860 --> 01:24:17,190
George Plyler he died but not really of

1896
01:24:22,110 --> 01:24:19,870
obstruction stances or anything

1897
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:22,120
the colonel is dead and there was

1898
01:24:28,050 --> 01:24:25,330
actually more stuff to his story which I

1899
01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:28,060
was not allowed to print in the book we

1900
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:29,740
have really wish I could because there

1901
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:32,290
was some really really weird stuff that

1902
01:24:38,580 --> 01:24:34,330
went on there and the family did not

1903
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:38,590
want that printed so I could not totally

1904
01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:41,920
expound on his incident but I suffice to

1905
01:24:46,170 --> 01:24:44,380
say that at least half of the witnesses

1906
01:24:50,610 --> 01:24:46,180
that had reported seeing the Lizardman

1907
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:50,620
met with an untimely end and or some

1908
01:24:54,930 --> 01:24:52,810
bizarre circumstances that followed them

1909
01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:54,940
after death all right that's clarify

1910
01:24:59,190 --> 01:24:56,620
here this is something that happens

1911
01:25:00,630 --> 01:24:59,200
after they met up with the creature but

1912
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:00,640
not something the creature might have

1913
01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:03,370
done directly correct oh well I don't

1914
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:05,350
want to meet one of those for an Emma

1915
01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:09,040
Christopher Davis being you know shot we

1916
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:11,560
hardly think a creature did that right

1917
01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:14,410
the one of the the young blather boy was

1918
01:25:20,730 --> 01:25:16,980
killed in a car accident

1919
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:20,740
George Plyler you know conceivably died

1920
01:25:27,870 --> 01:25:24,090
of natural circumstances the colonel

1921
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:27,880
there was some I wouldn't say foul play

1922
01:25:30,819 --> 01:25:29,890
but soon Antiguans that went on there

1923
01:25:33,489 --> 01:25:30,829
that

1924
01:25:33,969 --> 01:25:33,499
but I don't think we're a result of the

1925
01:25:35,770 --> 01:25:33,979
Lizardman

1926
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:35,780
directly in any way it's not like they

1927
01:25:40,299 --> 01:25:37,550
touched the Lizardman and got a disease

1928
01:25:41,739 --> 01:25:40,309
or it put a spell on them it which just

1929
01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:41,749
you know I think it's just simply

1930
01:25:46,599 --> 01:25:44,089
coincidental I mean you know look at the

1931
01:25:48,729 --> 01:25:46,609
more famous case of the the curse of

1932
01:25:52,449 --> 01:25:48,739
King Tut you know I mean you know

1933
01:25:54,669 --> 01:25:52,459
there's no direct link that you know

1934
01:25:58,329 --> 01:25:54,679
these people died as a result of

1935
01:26:00,279 --> 01:25:58,339
entering you know the Pharaoh's tomb but

1936
01:26:02,349 --> 01:26:00,289
there's a lot of weird stuff that you

1937
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:02,359
can then start connecting if you want to

1938
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,489
connect the dots now when it comes to

1939
01:26:09,759 --> 01:26:06,639
UFO sightings we have in the past

1940
01:26:12,459 --> 01:26:09,769
mentioned possible premature deaths of

1941
01:26:14,770 --> 01:26:12,469
some people involved in the field but we

1942
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:14,780
don't want to stretch that too far I I

1943
01:26:20,949 --> 01:26:18,530
met a woman in college that looking back

1944
01:26:23,409 --> 01:26:20,959
at it I swear she was a lizard girl and

1945
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:23,419
you know I touched her and thank

1946
01:26:28,839 --> 01:26:26,089
goodness I didn't catch anything well

1947
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:28,849
there you go I mean you know lizard

1948
01:26:33,310 --> 01:26:30,649
people you know we don't know enough

1949
01:26:37,959 --> 01:26:33,320
about them apparently so it's best be

1950
01:26:41,229 --> 01:26:37,969
wise to stay keep a distance right

1951
01:26:43,659 --> 01:26:41,239
careful what you wish for well where do

1952
01:26:45,969 --> 01:26:43,669
you come down here now you you spent a

1953
01:26:49,419 --> 01:26:45,979
considerable amount of time researching

1954
01:26:51,279 --> 01:26:49,429
this interviewing witnesses you know the

1955
01:26:54,819 --> 01:26:51,289
sheriff what do you think we're dealing

1956
01:26:57,599 --> 01:26:54,829
with here Lyle is this just a figment of

1957
01:27:01,299 --> 01:26:57,609
people's imagination that is able to

1958
01:27:05,169 --> 01:27:01,309
scratch up and tear up cars is it

1959
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:05,179
something that's manifest at all times

1960
01:27:10,209 --> 01:27:07,369
in our reality is it something possibly

1961
01:27:12,609 --> 01:27:10,219
dimensional I mean what do you think are

1962
01:27:14,799 --> 01:27:12,619
we dealing with a crypto humanoid

1963
01:27:17,109 --> 01:27:14,809
creature that's lurking about swamps

1964
01:27:19,689 --> 01:27:17,119
like Gollum you know searching for

1965
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:19,699
garbage and fish and whatever it is that

1966
01:27:25,509 --> 01:27:21,409
it needs to survive I mean what do you

1967
01:27:29,169 --> 01:27:25,519
think well you know I it's it's hard to

1968
01:27:32,020 --> 01:27:29,179
pick just one because there is just so

1969
01:27:35,770 --> 01:27:32,030
little information and a lot of it's you

1970
01:27:39,069 --> 01:27:35,780
know antidotal as you say you know my

1971
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:39,079
first and foremost objective in in these

1972
01:27:43,299 --> 01:27:41,449
cases is really just to tell the whole

1973
01:27:45,009 --> 01:27:43,309
story you know you know first I think

1974
01:27:46,810 --> 01:27:45,019
they're interesting

1975
01:27:49,509 --> 01:27:46,820
they're mysterious they're creepy and

1976
01:27:51,009 --> 01:27:49,519
whether we can solve them or not is not

1977
01:27:53,919 --> 01:27:51,019
necessarily the point because I think

1978
01:27:55,390 --> 01:27:53,929
you know obviously we're not going to be

1979
01:27:58,209 --> 01:27:55,400
able to solve something like this and

1980
01:28:01,950 --> 01:27:58,219
unless we had a body or a much better

1981
01:28:05,609 --> 01:28:01,960
clear video or something like that so

1982
01:28:08,589 --> 01:28:05,619
you know I mean it's it's something that

1983
01:28:11,620 --> 01:28:08,599
you just have to make some some guesses

1984
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,630
at and in some of those have to do with

1985
01:28:18,279 --> 01:28:14,480
you know what we have here you know

1986
01:28:22,029 --> 01:28:18,289
short of you know solid scientific

1987
01:28:27,549 --> 01:28:22,039
evidence is you know just theories and

1988
01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:27,559
conjecture and so for me you know I'm

1989
01:28:34,379 --> 01:28:31,150
not one to latch on to a lot of you know

1990
01:28:37,029 --> 01:28:34,389
paranormal or supernatural type things

1991
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:37,039
but you know certainly when you start

1992
01:28:44,109 --> 01:28:40,130
dealing with Lizardman you know it's

1993
01:28:46,839 --> 01:28:44,119
it's hard to say but you know I think in

1994
01:28:47,919 --> 01:28:46,849
in in the case of these witnesses you

1995
01:28:50,379 --> 01:28:47,929
can't say that they were hallucinating

1996
01:28:52,540 --> 01:28:50,389
or anything like that I think they

1997
01:28:54,370 --> 01:28:52,550
legitimately saw something something

1998
01:28:58,180 --> 01:28:54,380
happened to them now whether it was a

1999
01:29:00,220 --> 01:28:58,190
you know lizard man you know it's hard

2000
01:29:02,740 --> 01:29:00,230
to say but but definitely and I think

2001
01:29:05,410 --> 01:29:02,750
sheriff Truesdale agrees with me on this

2002
01:29:06,879 --> 01:29:05,420
that something happened to those people

2003
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,889
they saw something that led them to

2004
01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:08,480
believe that they saw an unknown

2005
01:29:12,189 --> 01:29:10,190
creature or something mysterious and

2006
01:29:13,629 --> 01:29:12,199
that's what they reported so you can't

2007
01:29:16,209 --> 01:29:13,639
just completely throw it out as

2008
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:16,219
hallucination or people trying to make

2009
01:29:21,790 --> 01:29:19,730
stuff up so you know given that we're

2010
01:29:23,979 --> 01:29:21,800
left with you know just what was it so

2011
01:29:27,580 --> 01:29:23,989
there's a number of options you know it

2012
01:29:30,250 --> 01:29:27,590
was you know a person dressed up trying

2013
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:30,260
to perpetrate a hoax which again I don't

2014
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:32,090
think it would be possible to do this

2015
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:34,369
this many number of times running across

2016
01:29:39,879 --> 01:29:36,710
in front of cars it's it's just not a

2017
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:39,889
hoax you know it could have been a

2018
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:42,650
Bigfoot a Bigfoot that was called the

2019
01:29:47,709 --> 01:29:45,170
lizard man I know you know explaining

2020
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:47,719
one cryptid with another cryptid to some

2021
01:29:51,310 --> 01:29:49,610
people is gonna sound ridiculous but I

2022
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:51,320
think there are a lot more Bigfoot

2023
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:53,510
reports and a lot more substance to that

2024
01:30:00,120 --> 01:29:56,050
so you know it's possible we saw

2025
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:00,130
swamp-dwelling Bigfoot or you know

2026
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:02,770
beyond that there could be things and

2027
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:05,679
creatures that we just simply can't

2028
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:08,170
explain or that are unknown to us and

2029
01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:10,960
maybe this was an example of that so

2030
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:13,150
many questions so many possibilities but

2031
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:15,670
I guess we're not going to even try to

2032
01:30:20,339 --> 01:30:17,770
figure out what those possibilities are

2033
01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:20,349
at least for now we got more creatures

2034
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:23,590
to explore or to avoid in our next

2035
01:30:33,610 --> 01:30:26,050
segment Lyle Blackburn joins Jean and

2036
01:30:41,470 --> 01:30:39,240
[Music]

2037
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:41,480
independently leading the way for the

2038
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:44,330
nation compelling talk for every

2039
01:30:50,980 --> 01:30:49,250
political persuasion we are G C n first

2040
01:30:53,020 --> 01:30:50,990
game attack of the rockets and it was a

2041
01:30:54,970 --> 01:30:53,030
critically acclaimed success and now

2042
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:54,980
there is the coming of the protectors a

2043
01:30:59,380 --> 01:30:57,110
former military intelligence man is

2044
01:31:01,660 --> 01:30:59,390
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2045
01:31:03,610 --> 01:31:01,670
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2046
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,620
because evil forces on our distant

2047
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:05,360
planet are planning to conquer the earth

2048
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:08,000
this is gripping science fiction of the

2049
01:31:12,670 --> 01:31:10,730
classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

2050
01:31:15,700 --> 01:31:12,680
the coming of the protectors find out

2051
01:31:19,780 --> 01:31:15,710
more at rockets calm that's Rockets are

2052
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Ock oids calm so here's what happened I

2053
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was placing an order online the site

2054
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went down it just stopped responding it

2055
01:31:28,750 --> 01:31:27,350
took hours before it returned but I'd

2056
01:31:31,090 --> 01:31:28,760
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2057
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2066
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2067
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2068
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2069
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2073
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2074
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2075
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2076
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2077
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2079
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2080
01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:26,660
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2081
01:32:29,650 --> 01:32:27,260
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2082
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:29,660
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2083
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:31,310
for under sixty nine thousand dollars

2084
01:32:35,770 --> 01:32:33,530
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2085
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2089
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2090
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2091
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2096
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2097
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2098
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2099
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2121
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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

2146
01:35:00,770 --> 01:34:58,120
you're listening to the podcast the gold

2147
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:00,780
standard a paranormal radio

2148
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:16,670
Jeanne and Chris on the para cast we're

2149
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:20,130
exploring the lizard man and all sorts

2150
01:35:26,030 --> 01:35:23,310
of legendary creatures or critters with

2151
01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:26,040
Lyle Blackburn Chris you have a question

2152
01:35:30,230 --> 01:35:28,260
that you'd like to ask well I I want

2153
01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:30,240
before we go on to boggy creek which I

2154
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:32,070
really want to cover with you because

2155
01:35:37,850 --> 01:35:35,280
this is one of the more well-known cases

2156
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,860
and in cryptozoology they made a movie

2157
01:35:42,350 --> 01:35:39,840
about it and in fact I think a couple of

2158
01:35:45,380 --> 01:35:42,360
movies before we go on now let's talk

2159
01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:45,390
about the lizard man archetype or that

2160
01:35:51,620 --> 01:35:48,540
symbol within the human sort of

2161
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:51,630
experience you've done some back story

2162
01:35:56,270 --> 01:35:54,600
work I'm sure researching these types of

2163
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:56,280
reports down through history do we have

2164
01:36:02,090 --> 01:35:58,890
any other examples of outbreaks of this

2165
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:02,100
type of humanoid form anywhere from else

2166
01:36:05,930 --> 01:36:04,170
around the world and then we'll talk

2167
01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:05,940
about David Ickes claim that lizard

2168
01:36:11,300 --> 01:36:08,510
people run the world you mean they don't

2169
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:11,310
well see you'll never know it's just an

2170
01:36:15,620 --> 01:36:12,930
endless question like chasing your

2171
01:36:19,340 --> 01:36:15,630
lizard tail so there's never been

2172
01:36:21,740 --> 01:36:19,350
another outbreak of quote-unquote lizard

2173
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:21,750
man sightings that had the substance of

2174
01:36:27,740 --> 01:36:23,970
the Bishopville case now there's some

2175
01:36:30,770 --> 01:36:27,750
other fleeting reports around the u.s.

2176
01:36:33,290 --> 01:36:30,780
of these type creatures there was an

2177
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:33,300
incident that occurred in 1958 in

2178
01:36:38,990 --> 01:36:36,330
Riverside California in which a man

2179
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:39,000
claimed he had seen a creature roughly

2180
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:40,920
fitting this description run across the

2181
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:42,960
road in front of him

2182
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:45,690
it came up out of a the Santa Ana River

2183
01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:49,410
there is reports of a creature near

2184
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:53,490
Thetis Lake in British Columbia that

2185
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:55,920
came to be called the fetes lake monster

2186
01:37:04,340 --> 01:36:59,280
and it was homage sort of a diminutive

2187
01:37:06,620 --> 01:37:04,350
type gnomish reptilian humanoid creature

2188
01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:06,630
but there was only two sightings of that

2189
01:37:12,650 --> 01:37:10,710
and those were rather dubious at best we

2190
01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:12,660
talked about the Loveland frog which

2191
01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:15,960
occurred in Loveland Ohio which I don't

2192
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,150
think relates to this there it's a good

2193
01:37:22,190 --> 01:37:20,400
story and it's it there's some you know

2194
01:37:25,810 --> 01:37:22,200
spooky sightings involved with that

2195
01:37:28,450 --> 01:37:25,820
again know no amount of extended

2196
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,460
investigations or mass sightings ever

2197
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:31,280
occurred with that in Ohio the Ohio

2198
01:37:35,950 --> 01:37:34,639
River there's been a few reports of sort

2199
01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:35,960
of these Creature from the Black Lagoon

2200
01:37:43,390 --> 01:37:40,280
type creatures but you know just not

2201
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:43,400
enough sightings or data or footprint

2202
01:37:47,890 --> 01:37:45,530
casts or anything like that to really

2203
01:37:50,910 --> 01:37:47,900
compare to the others you can only just

2204
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:50,920
sort of lay out the stories of these and

2205
01:37:55,629 --> 01:37:54,050
come to the conclusion that you know the

2206
01:37:59,950 --> 01:37:55,639
Bishopville creature is not an isolated

2207
01:38:02,830 --> 01:37:59,960
case people have reported seeing you

2208
01:38:05,979 --> 01:38:02,840
know creatures like this throughout the

2209
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:05,989
modern US history so you know it's

2210
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,290
definitely an ongoing mystery well you

2211
01:38:14,350 --> 01:38:10,639
bring up US history

2212
01:38:18,189 --> 01:38:14,360
how about South America age any place in

2213
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:18,199
Africa where humanoid-looking bipedal

2214
01:38:23,979 --> 01:38:21,199
humanoid reptilian types have been

2215
01:38:25,899 --> 01:38:23,989
reported do we have any body of evidence

2216
01:38:29,169 --> 01:38:25,909
that suggests that this is a worldwide

2217
01:38:31,589 --> 01:38:29,179
phenomenon or is this just something

2218
01:38:34,180 --> 01:38:31,599
that's exclusively in North America in

2219
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:34,190
specifically in South America I did try

2220
01:38:39,250 --> 01:38:36,560
to look into that because you know I

2221
01:38:41,500 --> 01:38:39,260
kind of talk about our archetype of the

2222
01:38:44,319 --> 01:38:41,510
movie monster The Creature from the

2223
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:44,329
Black Lagoon Swamp Thing type you know

2224
01:38:47,530 --> 01:38:46,010
creatures and in the case of The

2225
01:38:51,250 --> 01:38:47,540
Creature from the Black Lagoon it was

2226
01:38:53,589 --> 01:38:51,260
reportedly influenced by a story that

2227
01:38:56,290 --> 01:38:53,599
one of that the producer had heard about

2228
01:38:59,950 --> 01:38:56,300
a creature that had lived in South

2229
01:39:02,859 --> 01:38:59,960
America and I looked long and hard to

2230
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:02,869
find some better information on that and

2231
01:39:09,490 --> 01:39:06,800
all I could find was a scant you know

2232
01:39:12,580 --> 01:39:09,500
tail that seemed very much rooted in

2233
01:39:15,010 --> 01:39:12,590
folklore sort of a mer man type thing

2234
01:39:19,660 --> 01:39:15,020
that came to the village every so often

2235
01:39:21,780 --> 01:39:19,670
and it was it was very folklore I mean

2236
01:39:25,450 --> 01:39:21,790
as opposed to what you would consider

2237
01:39:27,609 --> 01:39:25,460
cryptozoology like sightings and long

2238
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:27,619
history so that's as far as I could get

2239
01:39:30,810 --> 01:39:29,570
with that one in South America I did not

2240
01:39:34,109 --> 01:39:30,820
look

2241
01:39:36,899 --> 01:39:34,119
in great detail at the general world you

2242
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:36,909
know China and other places so I can't I

2243
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:40,329
can't say that there's not sightings of

2244
01:39:44,219 --> 01:39:42,729
these creatures elsewhere and I'm sure

2245
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:44,229
there are

2246
01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:47,760
and also ruled out things like sightings

2247
01:39:53,239 --> 01:39:51,670
that correspond to UFOs so to where I

2248
01:39:55,529 --> 01:39:53,249
thought it would be a Nestor

2249
01:39:58,009 --> 01:39:55,539
extraterrestrial tri type creature I

2250
01:39:59,939 --> 01:39:58,019
kept this in the realm of cryptozoology

2251
01:40:02,910 --> 01:39:59,949
you know because there have been a

2252
01:40:05,149 --> 01:40:02,920
number of claims pamela Stonebrook of

2253
01:40:07,859 --> 01:40:05,159
course comes to mind claiming she had a

2254
01:40:10,949 --> 01:40:07,869
reptilian lover and he was really good

2255
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:10,959
in bed and all that sort of thing - why

2256
01:40:15,569 --> 01:40:13,050
me though don't you think

2257
01:40:17,489 --> 01:40:15,579
well we won't get into graphic details

2258
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:17,499
on that one but but you should put

2259
01:40:23,759 --> 01:40:20,320
blinders on in terms of your focus and

2260
01:40:27,979 --> 01:40:23,769
and really look at what appear to be on

2261
01:40:32,549 --> 01:40:27,989
the surface some sort of

2262
01:40:37,290 --> 01:40:32,559
cryptozoological reptoid 'el type form

2263
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:37,300
well boggy creek now this is something

2264
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,010
that a lot of people are interested in

2265
01:40:43,529 --> 01:40:40,719
we've got a number of questions on our

2266
01:40:46,049 --> 01:40:43,539
forums about the The Legend of Boggy

2267
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:46,059
Creek why don't you give us a quick

2268
01:40:51,660 --> 01:40:49,360
thumbnail sketch of this particular I

2269
01:40:53,609 --> 01:40:51,670
can't really call it a case because it's

2270
01:40:55,890 --> 01:40:53,619
a lot more involved in that but give us

2271
01:40:57,719 --> 01:40:55,900
give us you know our first-time

2272
01:40:59,640 --> 01:40:57,729
listeners maybe who have never heard of

2273
01:41:00,810 --> 01:40:59,650
boggy creek give them a thumbnail sketch

2274
01:41:03,989 --> 01:41:00,820
of what we're talking about

2275
01:41:06,089 --> 01:41:03,999
well the boggy creek monster or as it's

2276
01:41:09,509 --> 01:41:06,099
better known as the fountain monster is

2277
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,519
a creature reportedly senior near the

2278
01:41:14,969 --> 01:41:12,239
small town of Fouke Arkansas which is in

2279
01:41:17,279 --> 01:41:14,979
southwest Arkansas just across the

2280
01:41:19,979 --> 01:41:17,289
border from Texas this creature

2281
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:19,989
basically became publicly known in the

2282
01:41:27,569 --> 01:41:24,729
early 1970s when sightings were

2283
01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:27,579
recounted in the Texarkana Gazette

2284
01:41:35,339 --> 01:41:33,670
newspaper that led to a film director by

2285
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:35,349
the name of Charles Pierce coming down

2286
01:41:39,839 --> 01:41:36,880
there and making a film called The

2287
01:41:42,970 --> 01:41:39,849
Legend of Boggy Creek and that movie was

2288
01:41:46,540 --> 01:41:42,980
released in 1972 and became

2289
01:41:49,300 --> 01:41:46,550
hugely successful in the 1970s went on

2290
01:41:51,490 --> 01:41:49,310
to play in the movie theaters and

2291
01:41:55,420 --> 01:41:51,500
drive-ins and on TV all throughout the

2292
01:41:58,360 --> 01:41:55,430
70s made 25 million dollars my high

2293
01:42:01,120 --> 01:41:58,370
school actually although I was otherwise

2294
01:42:04,150 --> 01:42:01,130
engaged in the front seat I didn't see

2295
01:42:06,010 --> 01:42:04,160
much of the movie hey tell us more Chris

2296
01:42:08,650 --> 01:42:06,020
no I'm not going to ask you to do that

2297
01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:08,660
the point being also that that amount of

2298
01:42:12,220 --> 01:42:10,310
money for a movie doesn't sound like

2299
01:42:13,540 --> 01:42:12,230
much today I mean if a movie only makes

2300
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:13,550
twenty five million dollars the first

2301
01:42:18,820 --> 01:42:15,770
weekend it's considered a possible

2302
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:18,830
failure but this is a long time ago sure

2303
01:42:22,180 --> 01:42:20,450
and considering you only spend one

2304
01:42:25,780 --> 01:42:22,190
hundred and sixty thousand to make it

2305
01:42:28,150 --> 01:42:25,790
but you know point being that this made

2306
01:42:30,610 --> 01:42:28,160
the fountain Monster quite famous and

2307
01:42:32,440 --> 01:42:30,620
The Legend of Boggy Creek is a movie

2308
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:32,450
that you know people of a certain age

2309
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:35,330
all pretty much remember I mean of

2310
01:42:39,100 --> 01:42:37,040
countless people come up to me a book

2311
01:42:41,050 --> 01:42:39,110
siding to say ah man I saw that as a kid

2312
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:41,060
it scared the crap out of me or whatever

2313
01:42:49,780 --> 01:42:46,250
so you know they say about it but you

2314
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:49,790
know it was quite famous so you know

2315
01:42:55,210 --> 01:42:52,370
they're behind all of this and the

2316
01:42:57,729 --> 01:42:55,220
tagline of the movie was a true story it

2317
01:43:02,050 --> 01:42:57,739
was based on real reports by real people

2318
01:43:04,330 --> 01:43:02,060
that were dramatized in the movie and as

2319
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:04,340
someone who saw it when I was a little

2320
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:06,610
kid in the drive-in you know always

2321
01:43:10,630 --> 01:43:08,600
remembered it I loved the movie

2322
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:10,640
obviously I was you know loved Bigfoot

2323
01:43:15,670 --> 01:43:12,890
so this was something that was more

2324
01:43:17,410 --> 01:43:15,680
close to my hometown as an adult and

2325
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:17,420
doing this kind of work I wanted to look

2326
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:19,850
into it and sort out just what was true

2327
01:43:24,729 --> 01:43:21,890
about it how far back did that create

2328
01:43:28,090 --> 01:43:24,739
sightings of the creature go do they are

2329
01:43:31,780 --> 01:43:28,100
is it still cited today and that's the

2330
01:43:34,710 --> 01:43:31,790
exploration I go through in my book give

2331
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:34,720
us a kind of a blow-by-blow description

2332
01:43:40,090 --> 01:43:38,510
who saw it first what was the most

2333
01:43:42,010 --> 01:43:40,100
celebrated sighting give us a

2334
01:43:44,380 --> 01:43:42,020
description of the creature give us a

2335
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:44,390
little bit of background on you know

2336
01:43:49,060 --> 01:43:46,850
what kind of terrain that we're talking

2337
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:49,070
about here in Arkansas kind of set the

2338
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:51,050
stage a little bit here and give our

2339
01:43:55,620 --> 01:43:53,360
first-time listeners something that they

2340
01:43:58,450 --> 01:43:55,630
can kind of grab a hold of

2341
01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:58,460
well the creature is generally described

2342
01:44:02,710 --> 01:44:00,560
as being about seven feet tall it's

2343
01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:02,720
covered in hair the hair color

2344
01:44:09,070 --> 01:44:05,320
you know ranges from black to brown

2345
01:44:12,430 --> 01:44:09,080
generally described as having longest

2346
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,440
hair kind of a southern Sasquatch type

2347
01:44:17,410 --> 01:44:14,480
description it's often associated with

2348
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:17,420
having a foul odor not unlike the skunk

2349
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:21,530
ape and you know is described as having

2350
01:44:27,580 --> 01:44:25,310
a plike features but walking upright on

2351
01:44:30,700 --> 01:44:27,590
two legs like a man so again it's it's

2352
01:44:34,270 --> 01:44:30,710
basically a bigfoot-type creature that

2353
01:44:36,510 --> 01:44:34,280
lives in Arkansas and the area where it

2354
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:36,520
is seen in Falc

2355
01:44:43,620 --> 01:44:39,530
you know backs up to the sulfur River

2356
01:44:48,130 --> 01:44:43,630
bottoms and that is a very remote and

2357
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:48,140
swampy bottomland area that even today

2358
01:44:52,450 --> 01:44:49,850
is something where a lot of people don't

2359
01:44:56,740 --> 01:44:52,460
settle there's a lot of area there where

2360
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:56,750
large animals could remain elusive the

2361
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:00,880
most celebrated sighting occurred in

2362
01:45:07,930 --> 01:45:05,570
1971 we'll go back to 1971 back through

2363
01:45:10,690 --> 01:45:07,940
time back in our time machine in a

2364
01:45:14,020 --> 01:45:10,700
moment we have Lyle Blackburn we're

2365
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:14,030
exploring the Beast of Boggy Creek I

2366
01:45:18,220 --> 01:45:15,770
almost feel it's right beside me right

2367
01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:18,230
now no no no that's my dog and he's

2368
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:20,450
white and he's small and cute with Sheen

2369
01:45:34,660 --> 01:45:32,110
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2370
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2386
01:46:11,110 --> 01:46:09,680
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2387
01:46:13,180 --> 01:46:11,120
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2388
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2390
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welcome back to to the para cast the

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gold standard of paranormal radio and

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now here's Jane Steinberg Chris is doing

2416
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his best beast of Boggy Creek imitation

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I'll tell you with Lyle Blackburn his

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first book was the Beast of Bucky Creek

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earlier we were exploring lizard man

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said why oh let's look at the

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surroundings it's not a place that

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anyone really wants to visit or move

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into unless you're being I guess pursued

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by the law but there are no cabins or

2425
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things like that out there no I mean a

2426
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lot of people like to go there and you

2427
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know Bigfoot enthusiasts often go to

2428
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Phalke it's like the mecca southern

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Bigfoot but no you're not gonna find

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cabins or motels or anything it's it's

2431
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definitely very rural certainly was in

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the early 70s and is still you know a

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small you know off the way town sounds

2434
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like a pretty up place to live

2435
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yeah so but basically the most famous

2436
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sighting occurred in 1971 a family by

2437
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the name of Ford moved to the town for

2438
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work and there was actually a couple of

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families and the guys were gone at night

2440
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and over a few progressive evenings the

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women had heard something stalking

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around on the porch that they thought

2443
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was walking on two legs that seemed to

2444
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be large you know in one evening it

2445
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actually stuck its hand a hairy hand or

2446
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a paw or something through the window so

2447
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of course you know they were scared out

2448
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of their minds and this all culminated

2449
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with the guys borrowing a shotgun for

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the landlord and confronting the

2451
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creature on a Saturday night in May of

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1971 and they ended up taking some shots

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at it from the porch and they weren't

2454
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sure if they hit it so the guys went

2455
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down to the edge of the woods to look

2456
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well this was three guys one of them

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being the younger brother Bobby Ford as

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they were looking around you know they

2459
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couldn't find any blood or

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evidence they they had hit it Bobby you

2461
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know Bobby was getting really spooked

2462
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out he's second man if we missed that

2463
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thing and it's standing over there in

2464
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the woods has freaking me out

2465
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I'm going back to the porch here's the

2466
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light you know you guys you know keep

2467
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looking so as he's heading back up to

2468
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the house something comes around the

2469
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edge of the porch and engages him in a

2470
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struggle basically and he ends up is you

2471
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know getting free and nearly jumping

2472
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through the front door now he thought

2473
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that what he was attacked by was some

2474
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sort of a human human-like ape-like

2475
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creature he had scratches he was he was

2476
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banged up so they took him to the text

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Arcana hospital where he was treated for

2478
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minor injuries and shock well you know

2479
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oh you got the doctor down there saying

2480
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you know what happened he says I was

2481
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attacked by a hairy monster and Phalke

2482
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well that you know the doctor calls the

2483
01:50:51,220 --> 01:50:49,610
local news media guy said hey man I got

2484
01:50:53,470 --> 01:50:51,230
a guy down here says he was attacked by

2485
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a hairy monster you should go check it

2486
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out and that's what happened and the

2487
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news got involved that got printed in

2488
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the paper

2489
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and that's what kind of put it on the

2490
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map but once this all came out the

2491
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old-timers basically said hey you know

2492
01:51:07,090 --> 01:51:05,630
this isn't the first time this this type

2493
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of things been reported don't y'all

2494
01:51:11,740 --> 01:51:08,750
remember back in the 60s there was a

2495
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whole huge flap of sightings about five

2496
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miles southwest of here in Jonesville

2497
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well this started you know brewing up

2498
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all the old siding sort of like the

2499
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Lizardman case where there have been a

2500
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lot of stuff going on they just didn't

2501
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tell the newspaper however there was

2502
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many many sightings and most people

2503
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generally believe that monster sightings

2504
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began in the 1940s or that's what you

2505
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used to find if you search the internet

2506
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however I found that there were

2507
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sightings back to at least 1908 in this

2508
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area another false impression was that

2509
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the sightings ended after the movie came

2510
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out and you know things died down well

2511
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what I found that there was sightings

2512
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that continued in the 80's 90's all the

2513
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way until today some were these even

2514
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more dramatic than what the Fords

2515
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experienced so it's something that

2516
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hasn't stopped it's just that the the

2517
01:52:05,850 --> 01:52:04,699
movie kind of ran its course and the

2518
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media moved

2519
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and you know most people didn't hear of

2520
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:11,560
it until my book came out and that sort

2521
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of filled in all the gaps and brought

2522
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the whole entire history of this to the

2523
01:52:22,050 --> 01:52:19,360
forefront again that leads us to a

2524
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:22,060
question from one of our forum posters

2525
01:52:27,540 --> 01:52:25,690
burnt state and he kind of points out

2526
01:52:30,450 --> 01:52:27,550
something interesting which I would like

2527
01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:30,460
you to address and he says the Falcon

2528
01:52:34,610 --> 01:52:32,200
ster is unique for its three-toed

2529
01:52:37,290 --> 01:52:34,620
impressions which kind of reminds us of

2530
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:37,300
you know our Lizardman report from South

2531
01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:40,000
Carolina and did the earlier Jonestown

2532
01:52:44,580 --> 01:52:42,280
monster that the Falcon sir is connected

2533
01:52:47,220 --> 01:52:44,590
to also leave behind three toad prints

2534
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:47,230
you know are you aware of any examples

2535
01:52:52,860 --> 01:52:50,050
of other three toad sus quad for prints

2536
01:52:55,620 --> 01:52:52,870
yes the the creature the fountain

2537
01:52:57,390 --> 01:52:55,630
monster yes is is associated with having

2538
01:53:01,040 --> 01:52:57,400
three toad tracks and a lot of this was

2539
01:53:04,410 --> 01:53:01,050
based on a trackway that was found in

2540
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:04,420
the summer of 1971 shortly after the

2541
01:53:08,730 --> 01:53:06,730
Ford incident in which the creature had

2542
01:53:11,130 --> 01:53:08,740
presumably walked across a freshly

2543
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:11,140
plowed bean field and this is dramatized

2544
01:53:16,740 --> 01:53:15,040
in the Legend of Boggy Creek I go into

2545
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:16,750
great detail on my book about this

2546
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:22,090
obviously that that was you know the the

2547
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:24,010
best example of three toad tracks some

2548
01:53:30,090 --> 01:53:28,000
of the other sightings they you know the

2549
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:30,100
sheriff thought that he found some three

2550
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:31,920
toad tracks they weren't you know very

2551
01:53:37,890 --> 01:53:34,210
defined so they weren't sure in another

2552
01:53:40,410 --> 01:53:37,900
case a person thought that it had four

2553
01:53:42,180 --> 01:53:40,420
toes now in more recent times I've got a

2554
01:53:45,470 --> 01:53:42,190
I'm in a witness down there who actually

2555
01:53:48,210 --> 01:53:45,480
cast a really good five toad print so

2556
01:53:51,930 --> 01:53:48,220
when you when you start dealing with

2557
01:53:53,820 --> 01:53:51,940
this whole three toad aspect of the foul

2558
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:53,830
monster it really expands into the

2559
01:53:58,020 --> 01:53:56,170
southern Sasquatch in general because

2560
01:54:01,920 --> 01:53:58,030
three toad tracks are found elsewhere

2561
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:01,930
and I do know researchers who have found

2562
01:54:06,510 --> 01:54:03,850
three toad tracks they've cast these

2563
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:06,520
they've you know they've said that you

2564
01:54:10,890 --> 01:54:08,320
know they believe them to be tracks

2565
01:54:13,220 --> 01:54:10,900
however you also find a lot of five

2566
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:13,230
trout tracks as well so it's hard to

2567
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:17,850
reconcile just what the three toed track

2568
01:54:20,660 --> 01:54:19,110
represents

2569
01:54:23,149 --> 01:54:20,670
is it a certain individual as a

2570
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:23,159
deformity is this something from these

2571
01:54:27,050 --> 01:54:25,770
small populations being inbred or the

2572
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:27,060
three toed tracks

2573
01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:29,489
you know hoaxes and with some dubious

2574
01:54:33,859 --> 01:54:32,040
business going on with this famous track

2575
01:54:37,220 --> 01:54:33,869
we found in fact that you can read more

2576
01:54:39,229 --> 01:54:37,230
about in the book but you know it's it's

2577
01:54:42,410 --> 01:54:39,239
not unlike some of the Lizardman stuff

2578
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:42,420
and again you know you got a swamp Fouke

2579
01:54:47,330 --> 01:54:44,850
is near a place called Mercer Bayou and

2580
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:47,340
sulfur River bottom so you have a swampy

2581
01:54:53,060 --> 01:54:49,530
area suddenly you have three toad tracks

2582
01:54:55,490 --> 01:54:53,070
so definitely fascinating but there's

2583
01:54:59,390 --> 01:54:55,500
just not enough examples of it to really

2584
01:55:01,459 --> 01:54:59,400
ultimately decide if you know all the

2585
01:55:03,620 --> 01:55:01,469
creatures in the area have three toes or

2586
01:55:07,209 --> 01:55:03,630
if it's just one with a deformity or if

2587
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:07,219
this this is one incident that simply

2588
01:55:13,700 --> 01:55:11,010
you know isn't real you mentioned in

2589
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:13,710
your research that you found alleged

2590
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:16,170
sighting reports anecdotally to go all

2591
01:55:20,689 --> 01:55:18,170
the way back into the early 20th century

2592
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:20,699
what are we talking about here give us a

2593
01:55:26,780 --> 01:55:24,330
sense of the geography of the area where

2594
01:55:29,570 --> 01:55:26,790
did all these reports that have been you

2595
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:29,580
know filed over the years are they all

2596
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:31,650
centered around a particular area boggy

2597
01:55:38,050 --> 01:55:34,800
creek do we have any sort of indication

2598
01:55:40,939 --> 01:55:38,060
that that whatever this hypothetical

2599
01:55:45,459 --> 01:55:40,949
group of humanoid creatures have they

2600
01:55:47,450 --> 01:55:45,469
expanded are they location specific and

2601
01:55:50,300 --> 01:55:47,460
you know the whole thing about three

2602
01:55:53,359 --> 01:55:50,310
toes I mean unless you're a dinosaur it

2603
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:53,369
would be kind of difficult to to be able

2604
01:55:58,729 --> 01:55:56,159
to negotiate that kind of terrain with

2605
01:56:01,459 --> 01:55:58,739
only three toes I would think but give

2606
01:56:05,209 --> 01:56:01,469
us a sense of the area around boggy

2607
01:56:07,149 --> 01:56:05,219
creek and and where the other anecdotal

2608
01:56:11,530 --> 01:56:07,159
sighting reports have have come from

2609
01:56:14,450 --> 01:56:11,540
well it's it's really within a about a

2610
01:56:15,950 --> 01:56:14,460
twenty square mile area where most of

2611
01:56:18,530 --> 01:56:15,960
the sightings have taken place and I've

2612
01:56:20,689 --> 01:56:18,540
plotted these on a detailed map so I'm

2613
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:20,699
quite familiar where each one had

2614
01:56:29,780 --> 01:56:28,050
occurred in general they occur south of

2615
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:29,790
Phalke which would encompass that

2616
01:56:35,330 --> 01:56:32,490
Jonesville area that are

2617
01:56:38,570 --> 01:56:35,340
listener asked about all the way down to

2618
01:56:42,050 --> 01:56:38,580
the end of Mercer Bayou and the first

2619
01:56:44,030 --> 01:56:42,060
sighting in 1908 happened down at the

2620
01:56:47,570 --> 01:56:44,040
bottom end of Mercer Bayou the most

2621
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:47,580
southern point and that was a small girl

2622
01:56:53,540 --> 01:56:50,250
reporting that she had seen some sort of

2623
01:56:57,110 --> 01:56:53,550
a hairy man you know which is you know

2624
01:56:59,450 --> 01:56:57,120
kind of a sketchy report but going up in

2625
01:57:01,160 --> 01:56:59,460
the 20s and 30s and 40s you start

2626
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:01,170
getting more of these same kind of

2627
01:57:07,490 --> 01:57:05,130
things and they would range generally in

2628
01:57:08,830 --> 01:57:07,500
that Mercer Bayou area and thus near the

2629
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:08,840
sulfur River as well

2630
01:57:14,930 --> 01:57:12,000
we have Lyle Blackburn his books are the

2631
01:57:16,700 --> 01:57:14,940
Beast of boggy creek and lizard man

2632
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:16,710
right now we're focusing on the beasts

2633
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of boggy creek which makes me not want

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2729
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2731
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2732
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Sabol okay on the power of caste this

2734
02:02:22,430 --> 02:02:21,060
week it's all monsters all the time you

2735
02:02:23,870 --> 02:02:22,440
know what bothers me a little bit about

2736
02:02:27,890 --> 02:02:23,880
all this is you have these little

2737
02:02:30,980 --> 02:02:27,900
pockets of cases that become suddenly

2738
02:02:33,980 --> 02:02:30,990
famous like boggy creek like the

2739
02:02:36,470 --> 02:02:33,990
Lizardman South Carolina like of course

2740
02:02:38,780 --> 02:02:36,480
Mothman in West Virginia

2741
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:38,790
is there a reason at all in your

2742
02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:41,760
research can you determine why they seem

2743
02:02:46,850 --> 02:02:43,920
to show up in these little pockets

2744
02:02:49,700 --> 02:02:46,860
around the country well I'm not sure

2745
02:02:51,980 --> 02:02:49,710
part of it is just you know what happens

2746
02:02:55,700 --> 02:02:51,990
to get in the paper and I mean you know

2747
02:02:57,890 --> 02:02:55,710
these creatures are identified suddenly

2748
02:03:00,170 --> 02:02:57,900
with some regional names such as the

2749
02:03:02,540 --> 02:03:00,180
foul monster and it's being printed and

2750
02:03:04,130 --> 02:03:02,550
as in the paper as such and I think

2751
02:03:05,570 --> 02:03:04,140
people have some impression that the

2752
02:03:07,580 --> 02:03:05,580
fountain because it's called the

2753
02:03:12,290 --> 02:03:07,590
fountain monster that it's something

2754
02:03:14,420 --> 02:03:12,300
different than say a southern Sasquatch

2755
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:14,430
creature from Texas down there they call

2756
02:03:20,060 --> 02:03:17,730
them you know the Caddo critter or the

2757
02:03:21,980 --> 02:03:20,070
Sabine thing but you know basically

2758
02:03:24,170 --> 02:03:21,990
they're the same thing I mean they're

2759
02:03:26,150 --> 02:03:24,180
described in a similar way if you start

2760
02:03:29,180 --> 02:03:26,160
looking at the map you see that all

2761
02:03:32,210 --> 02:03:29,190
these waterways in forest areas connect

2762
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:32,220
together so whereas one town may call it

2763
02:03:36,590 --> 02:03:34,890
one thing or you know another town calls

2764
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:36,600
it the other really we're just talking

2765
02:03:42,380 --> 02:03:39,210
about southern Sasquatch creatures not

2766
02:03:45,140 --> 02:03:42,390
necessarily a whole bunch of varied and

2767
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:45,150
different primate or ape-like creatures

2768
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:47,760
so a lot of it just depends on what gets

2769
02:03:51,620 --> 02:03:50,010
in the paper and of course in the case

2770
02:03:53,780 --> 02:03:51,630
of The Legend of Boggy Creek where you

2771
02:03:56,440 --> 02:03:53,790
have a famous movie made about it you

2772
02:03:59,240 --> 02:03:56,450
know it stands as sort of an iconic

2773
02:04:01,250 --> 02:03:59,250
creature unto itself the foul monster

2774
02:04:03,380 --> 02:04:01,260
but you know essentially if

2775
02:04:05,690 --> 02:04:03,390
you start looking into these in great

2776
02:04:07,550 --> 02:04:05,700
detail you find that you know you're

2777
02:04:10,730 --> 02:04:07,560
just kind of dealing with with southern

2778
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:10,740
Sasquatch or a skunk ape in a more

2779
02:04:15,470 --> 02:04:12,930
general sense they don't recognize town

2780
02:04:16,220 --> 02:04:15,480
names or borders or states or anything

2781
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:16,230
like that

2782
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:19,050
and they may move obviously up and down

2783
02:04:25,820 --> 02:04:22,560
waterways and in through forest areas

2784
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:25,830
from one town to another let me ask you

2785
02:04:30,650 --> 02:04:28,560
a question here which bothers me and

2786
02:04:32,690 --> 02:04:30,660
that is we have all these very

2787
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:32,700
fascinating reports over the years of

2788
02:04:36,650 --> 02:04:34,560
strange creatures we've got the lizard

2789
02:04:39,410 --> 02:04:36,660
man we've got the Mothman beasts of

2790
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:39,420
Boggy Creek Bigfoot whatever but that's

2791
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:41,490
a seemed as if investigators are really

2792
02:04:47,630 --> 02:04:45,210
getting us any closer to a conclusion as

2793
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:47,640
to what's going on is there a better

2794
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:50,850
approach do you think well you know it

2795
02:04:54,620 --> 02:04:52,890
might be time for a better approach

2796
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:54,630
because you're right there you're not

2797
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:56,610
getting any closer and it's funny if you

2798
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:00,000
go back and watch a show say from the

2799
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:04,560
1970s a show in search of for example it

2800
02:05:09,500 --> 02:05:07,410
was a show that ran on television it was

2801
02:05:12,020 --> 02:05:09,510
narrated by Leonard Nimoy was quite

2802
02:05:14,270 --> 02:05:12,030
popular you look at that and you look at

2803
02:05:15,950 --> 02:05:14,280
a modern day show such as monster quest

2804
02:05:17,900 --> 02:05:15,960
which was a great show was about the

2805
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,910
same subject of cryptozoology and

2806
02:05:23,390 --> 02:05:19,920
unexplained monsters you look at those

2807
02:05:25,250 --> 02:05:23,400
two and I mean they're very similar you

2808
02:05:27,110 --> 02:05:25,260
realize that what they were doing back

2809
02:05:29,450 --> 02:05:27,120
in the 70s was pretty much what we're

2810
02:05:32,570 --> 02:05:29,460
doing today it's no different we do have

2811
02:05:35,390 --> 02:05:32,580
some more sophisticated equipment and

2812
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:35,400
gear to use nowadays but the approach is

2813
02:05:39,800 --> 02:05:37,650
the same the dedication by these

2814
02:05:41,830 --> 02:05:39,810
researchers is the same what we know

2815
02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:41,840
about these creatures is still the same

2816
02:05:49,420 --> 02:05:45,690
so I'm not sure what more there can be

2817
02:05:52,340 --> 02:05:49,430
done to you know to really facilitate

2818
02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:52,350
the proof of these things you know they

2819
02:05:57,950 --> 02:05:55,920
just tend to remain just on the edge you

2820
02:06:00,530 --> 02:05:57,960
know of our civilization just on the

2821
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:00,540
edge of our grasp it's still a mystery

2822
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:03,330
it's an ongoing mystery and you know

2823
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:05,250
maybe something that will just continue

2824
02:06:09,950 --> 02:06:07,410
like this forever I don't know or you

2825
02:06:11,950 --> 02:06:09,960
know but other than a body coming forth

2826
02:06:13,870 --> 02:06:11,960
to where we can ultimately

2827
02:06:16,900 --> 02:06:13,880
scientifically examine it

2828
02:06:18,730 --> 02:06:16,910
it's just going to remain just out of

2829
02:06:20,410 --> 02:06:18,740
the hands of these researchers now let

2830
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:20,420
me say something funny don't take it as

2831
02:06:24,580 --> 02:06:22,610
an insult but hasn't it been said that

2832
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:24,590
if you keep doing the same thing over

2833
02:06:32,100 --> 02:06:28,010
and over again expecting a different

2834
02:06:34,930 --> 02:06:32,110
result that's one definition of insanity

2835
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:34,940
possibly all right well you know one

2836
02:06:40,030 --> 02:06:36,890
thing that comes up occasionally is

2837
02:06:43,810 --> 02:06:40,040
possible DNA testing if we have another

2838
02:06:46,570 --> 02:06:43,820
species here not discovered and they're

2839
02:06:48,910 --> 02:06:46,580
crawling all over the place what about a

2840
02:06:52,150 --> 02:06:48,920
DNA sample let's see if we can't get

2841
02:06:53,470 --> 02:06:52,160
evidence of something strange well you

2842
02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:53,480
know and that that's something that they

2843
02:06:58,570 --> 02:06:56,210
are doing I mean DNA is is really

2844
02:07:00,610 --> 02:06:58,580
starting to come into the picture

2845
02:07:02,370 --> 02:07:00,620
because it's more affordable and there's

2846
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:02,380
people that are actually you know

2847
02:07:07,320 --> 02:07:04,810
reputable scientists that are actually

2848
02:07:10,060 --> 02:07:07,330
willing to look at DNA evidence

2849
02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:10,070
submitted from you know Bigfoot samples

2850
02:07:13,930 --> 02:07:11,810
and things so that's definitely

2851
02:07:16,630 --> 02:07:13,940
something on our side but I mean

2852
02:07:18,700 --> 02:07:16,640
ultimately it still takes it's going to

2853
02:07:20,860 --> 02:07:18,710
take a quality sample in order to

2854
02:07:22,750 --> 02:07:20,870
produce the right results and to get

2855
02:07:25,210 --> 02:07:22,760
that sample you know you got researchers

2856
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:25,220
out in the woods just looking for the

2857
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:27,050
proverbial needle and the haystack to

2858
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:29,930
find one little hair or one piece of

2859
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,110
skin or what have you in order to to get

2860
02:07:38,590 --> 02:07:35,360
the and extract the DNA out of and so

2861
02:07:40,980 --> 02:07:38,600
far even samples with the best

2862
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:40,990
intentions have been either a

2863
02:07:46,030 --> 02:07:43,370
contaminated or they come up to be

2864
02:07:48,640 --> 02:07:46,040
something like bear or wolf or something

2865
02:07:51,550 --> 02:07:48,650
you know that we we didn't really want

2866
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:51,560
to hear but that's that's the facts you

2867
02:07:56,770 --> 02:07:54,650
know DNA and science don't lie so you

2868
02:07:58,930 --> 02:07:56,780
know we do have those tools but you're

2869
02:08:00,880 --> 02:07:58,940
still depending on amateur researchers

2870
02:08:03,610 --> 02:08:00,890
using their own funds to go out in the

2871
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:03,620
woods and against all odds try to get

2872
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:05,570
themselves a little piece of a creature

2873
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:07,850
that you know has been successful in

2874
02:08:15,090 --> 02:08:11,290
eluding everybody now for all this time

2875
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:15,100
you wonder though whether maybe what

2876
02:08:19,930 --> 02:08:17,930
investigators of this sort ought to be

2877
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:19,940
doing is take a course in crime scene

2878
02:08:24,130 --> 02:08:22,610
investigation learn how to gather the

2879
02:08:26,770 --> 02:08:24,140
samples certainly if you're not

2880
02:08:27,470 --> 02:08:26,780
professional we understand the samples

2881
02:08:30,620 --> 02:08:27,480
could be

2882
02:08:32,780 --> 02:08:30,630
needed especially out in a place where

2883
02:08:35,540 --> 02:08:32,790
lots of creatures are roaming around how

2884
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:35,550
do you get the sample that's the one

2885
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:37,290
that will give you the smoking gun but

2886
02:08:42,650 --> 02:08:40,890
is there no way to possibly take some

2887
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:42,660
extra courses in that subject maybe

2888
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:44,610
learn a few techniques that will help

2889
02:08:49,220 --> 02:08:47,250
you because where are we going now right

2890
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:49,230
I mean there are researchers out there

2891
02:08:53,690 --> 02:08:51,840
that are familiar with those techniques

2892
02:08:55,460 --> 02:08:53,700
and if they find a sample they are going

2893
02:08:58,970 --> 02:08:55,470
to follow the protocol that science

2894
02:09:00,500 --> 02:08:58,980
recommends on on data collection so you

2895
02:09:03,500 --> 02:09:00,510
know but again you're just talking a

2896
02:09:06,650 --> 02:09:03,510
wide range of people with interests into

2897
02:09:09,740 --> 02:09:06,660
the subject most being amateurs you know

2898
02:09:11,420 --> 02:09:09,750
it's just sort of up to them to think oh

2899
02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:11,430
well maybe I should you know take a

2900
02:09:16,910 --> 02:09:15,330
course on data collection I should you

2901
02:09:18,710 --> 02:09:16,920
know know more about evidence collection

2902
02:09:22,010 --> 02:09:18,720
and things like that unfortunately you

2903
02:09:24,530 --> 02:09:22,020
know a lot of them don't I get you know

2904
02:09:26,630 --> 02:09:24,540
photos of hair sent to me I found this

2905
02:09:27,979 --> 02:09:26,640
hair and I don't know what it is well

2906
02:09:30,860 --> 02:09:27,989
they're holding it in their hand I'm

2907
02:09:32,810 --> 02:09:30,870
like oh you know if it's you know it's

2908
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:32,820
already been contaminated you know so

2909
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:35,520
people just get excited and don't think

2910
02:09:39,620 --> 02:09:37,170
about these things whereas you know

2911
02:09:41,479 --> 02:09:39,630
longtime researchers and and there are

2912
02:09:44,020 --> 02:09:41,489
quite a few of those they do know these

2913
02:09:46,850 --> 02:09:44,030
techniques and they will observe them

2914
02:09:48,500 --> 02:09:46,860
when possible so it you just have such a

2915
02:09:50,570 --> 02:09:48,510
wide range of people looking into it

2916
02:09:54,130 --> 02:09:50,580
well what do you think of Melbourne

2917
02:09:57,440 --> 02:09:54,140
Melbourne Ketchum's a DNA study and how

2918
02:09:59,840 --> 02:09:57,450
this particular project has been handled

2919
02:10:02,120 --> 02:09:59,850
that's a question which will have to

2920
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,130
have answered in our next segment about

2921
02:10:07,670 --> 02:10:04,800
that particular DNA study and about the

2922
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:07,680
implications Lyle Blackburn is joining

2923
02:10:12,380 --> 02:10:09,690
us we're looking for strange creatures

2924
02:10:14,090 --> 02:10:12,390
around the world with gene and Chris and

2925
02:10:16,340 --> 02:10:14,100
Chris is not a strange creature but

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strange creatures and more Gina and

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Chris talking to Lyle Blackburn so Lyle

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Chris had a question for you

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so yeah the I think the the Ketchum

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study has been handled terribly I mean

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unfortunately and you know I don't

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pretend to be a scientist I'm not going

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to read that paper and make any sort of

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levy judgment against it I can only rely

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on the feedback from people who are

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trained and respected scientists who

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have made comments on this and you know

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judging from that you know even if that

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was you know a viable study

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unfortunately it was not handled in in

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the protocol that mainstream science

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embraces you know the the release of the

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journal and there's just a whole lot of

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aspects that excuse me folks were

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getting into the inside baseball game

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here we've got how our listeners what

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the Ketchum study is all about and then

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we can go more into the flaws Lyle

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well basically either Melba Ketchum is a

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veterinarian that lives in East Texas

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and she has taken it upon herself to you

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know do some scientific studies into

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Bigfoot and they did a Bigfoot genome

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study which collected various evidence

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and did DNA testing upon it and to try

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to prove that Bigfoot is real basically

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and samples were taken from many

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different sources and I know some of

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those sources are very reliable and they

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were you know given over in good faith

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and things like that but you're you're

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at the mercy of the people who are

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testing this so the results of this DNA

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study were published in a journal not a

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known scientific journal but a journal

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that they created themselves with which

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to publish findings

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ouch number one so you know right off

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the bat just by the way it's presented

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most reputable sciences are just not

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gonna pay any attention to it they're

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gonna say that's par for the

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course with Bigfoot people you know they

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don't follow the right stuff you know

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use terms like angel DNA which it

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totally baffled me yeah all that kind of

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stuff I mean it just gets far-fetched

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real quick I mean you know and that just

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turns people away from it but you know

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judging from what other scientists todd

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disa tell people like that have said

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they just feel like it's you know it's

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just not a valid study the results are

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dubious at best and these things build

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up a lot of hype for a couple of years

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as people hear about them but once it

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comes out it just sort of dies a slow

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whimpering death because it doesn't do

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anything except make the science of

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Bigfoot look even worse unfortunately so

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that's it's just not something that's

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helped anything even if there was we do

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have some reputable scientists like

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Jeffrey Meldrum who has put his

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reputation as a certified and you know I

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mean an accredited scientist I I think

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it's at the University of Idaho correct

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me if I'm wrong but we do have some

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scientific interest in this particular

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subject what do we have to do to take

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this thing to the next level so that

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academia and the scientific community

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will be kind of slam-dunked into having

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to take this subject seriously what do

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we need to do low yeah I mean guys like

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dr. Meldrum are a big credit to you know

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Bigfoot research as a whole

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I mean his expertise is in footprint

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analysis locomotion of you know bipedal

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creatures so you know he's not a DNA guy

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but but but he's a good spokesperson for

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you know the science of Bigfoot but

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ultimately I mean at this point Bigfoot

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is a pop cultural icon you know

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scientists it's got a stigma to it

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understandably so there's been so much

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nonsense and hoaxes and silly stuff

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involved in it most scientists just are

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not gonna listen anymore to any nonsense

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unless you have

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a piece of a creature an extremely clear

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video you know which would be you know

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questionable at best just because you're

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really going to need a body to prove it

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you know it's it's just at this point

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that's what it's going to take before

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mainstream science and I'm not saying go

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out and kill a Bigfoot to get a body I'm

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just saying that's what it's going to

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take whether you know you find a piece

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or find a finger or a hair or something

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02:20:01,801 --> 02:19:56,260
where it's a definitive you know sample

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that can create a DNA signature that can

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be verified as unknown Lyle I you know

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I've been monitoring a thread at forum

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where our listeners can ask our guest

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questions one of the threads has been

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kind of zeroing in on this whole anomaly

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of hunters allegedly seen a Bigfoot

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having them you know in their rifle

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02:20:32,551 --> 02:20:29,950
scope and then not taking the shot we do

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have a handful of cases where hunters

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have claimed to have tried to take down

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a Bigfoot but don't you think that I

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mean someone like getting a head shot on

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02:20:48,480 --> 02:20:44,320
a Bigfoot going and dragging that thing

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down to the nearest hospital forensic

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lab sheriff's office whatever do you

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think that that would you know for once

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02:20:55,970 --> 02:20:53,950
and for all

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established that this is a

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flesh-and-blood crippled zoological

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creature I and why haven't we seen that

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up until now oh yeah I mean that would

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be in the debate right there I mean you

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know and that's I mean there are newly

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discovered species of primates you know

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02:21:16,020 --> 02:21:14,500
coming out of Africa and things like

3165
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this and the way they're proven is

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somebody's got a body you know or

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something like that so that's that's the

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same thing with Bigfoot if somebody's

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right usually find it in a in a local

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market being sold is is food yep yeah

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something like that I mean you know the

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locals don't know it's you know a rare

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and uncatted logged primate they just

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see it and then there it is so

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but the situation with hunters you know

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I mean that's a puzzling thing as you

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you do have reports of many hunters

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having Bigfoot sightings in many of

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these occurring when they're in the tree

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stand and they've got their rifle there

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02:21:56,420 --> 02:21:54,300
and they've got it you know in the

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sights of their scope I talked to a

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witness I was interviewing just last

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week it was in that very position and I

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said you know why did why did you not

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shoot it I mean you know you you could

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prove it he said I I thought about it I

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looked at it he said it was just so

3189
02:22:19,309 --> 02:22:17,130
astounding at what I was looking at he

3190
02:22:21,080 --> 02:22:19,319
thought you know what if I miss what if

3191
02:22:23,510 --> 02:22:21,090
I shoot it doesn't take it down

3192
02:22:25,729 --> 02:22:23,520
what if there's others standing you know

3193
02:22:28,250 --> 02:22:25,739
in the trees that I can't see if I shoot

3194
02:22:29,059 --> 02:22:28,260
that thing I just don't know what's

3195
02:22:31,460 --> 02:22:29,069
gonna happen

3196
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:31,470
not only that it you know what if it's

3197
02:22:36,139 --> 02:22:33,930
what if it's the the chance that this

3198
02:22:37,929 --> 02:22:36,149
this is somehow related to humans or

3199
02:22:40,460 --> 02:22:37,939
whatever I'm you know I don't want to be

3200
02:22:42,170 --> 02:22:40,470
dragged this down and then be thrown in

3201
02:22:45,620 --> 02:22:42,180
jail for murder there's just so many

3202
02:22:47,239 --> 02:22:45,630
questions that you've got to confront

3203
02:22:49,069 --> 02:22:47,249
you know some of that sounds like an

3204
02:22:51,019 --> 02:22:49,079
excuse though like maybe they're

3205
02:22:54,109 --> 02:22:51,029
supposed to relate to humans and I'll be

3206
02:22:56,029 --> 02:22:54,119
arrested for murdering a Bigfoot and I

3207
02:22:58,069 --> 02:22:56,039
don't know that might be a stretch but

3208
02:23:01,729 --> 02:22:58,079
the other thing people might ask here is

3209
02:23:02,989 --> 02:23:01,739
alright these are living beings they

3210
02:23:08,029 --> 02:23:02,999
live they die

3211
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:08,039
no corpses never a corpse anywhere what

3212
02:23:12,889 --> 02:23:10,770
he yeah that's a huge problem I mean you

3213
02:23:14,420 --> 02:23:12,899
know a lot of people the arguments that

3214
02:23:16,639 --> 02:23:14,430
usually well you know when's the last

3215
02:23:19,519 --> 02:23:16,649
time you found a bear dead bear in the

3216
02:23:22,849 --> 02:23:19,529
woods well not very often certainly but

3217
02:23:25,550 --> 02:23:22,859
it has happened and you know bears can

3218
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:25,560
be proven so it's one of those things

3219
02:23:33,889 --> 02:23:30,810
that's extremely puzzling and doesn't

3220
02:23:35,870 --> 02:23:33,899
really add up it you know the fact that

3221
02:23:37,340 --> 02:23:35,880
we don't have a body doesn't disprove it

3222
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:37,350
of course and that's kind of what keeps

3223
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:39,930
that carrot dangling that well you got

3224
02:23:44,300 --> 02:23:41,850
to keep looking people say they see them

3225
02:23:48,290 --> 02:23:44,310
so hey you know there must be something

3226
02:23:50,929 --> 02:23:48,300
to it so but but why that none of them

3227
02:23:52,939 --> 02:23:50,939
have been hit by a car not one

3228
02:23:54,559 --> 02:23:52,949
Hunter has actually shot one and dragged

3229
02:23:56,090 --> 02:23:54,569
it out of the woods now hunters say

3230
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:56,100
they've shot it but they just didn't

3231
02:23:59,199 --> 02:23:57,359
bring it in

3232
02:24:03,439 --> 02:23:59,209
and so these hunters in particular

3233
02:24:05,630 --> 02:24:03,449
didn't have a problem in shooting them

3234
02:24:08,059 --> 02:24:05,640
they didn't worry about being attacked

3235
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:08,069
by mass Bigfoot or being arrested by the

3236
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:11,369
police for murdering a Bigfoot will get

3237
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:12,720
into more of this in a moment

3238
02:24:17,870 --> 02:24:15,449
we have Lyle Blackburn here for one more

3239
02:24:28,610 --> 02:24:17,880
segment with gene and Kris you're in the

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free from the shackles of Corporate

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thinkers attack of the rock AIDS has

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been well received by critics and

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readers alike it's a thrill a minute

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story you'll never forget a former US

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military intelligence officer is haunted

3247
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by intense dreams about a beautiful

3248
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woman pleading for his help after a

3249
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terrible battle in outer space but the

3250
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dreams turn out to be true and thrust

3251
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him into a telepathic love affair with a

3252
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woman whose faraway planet is intent on

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destroying the earth and now the

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threaten the lives of freedom loving

3260
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02:28:56,819 --> 02:28:49,539
to the podcast the gold standard of

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02:29:00,179 --> 02:28:56,829
paranormal radio monster hunting with

3344
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:00,189
Lyle Blackburn exploring the case of

3345
02:29:06,029 --> 02:29:03,010
boggy creek the lizard man and all these

3346
02:29:09,239 --> 02:29:06,039
monsters trying to find some evidence

3347
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:09,249
about what's going on and the question

3348
02:29:13,579 --> 02:29:11,680
is here we know you've done the books

3349
02:29:19,079 --> 02:29:13,589
you continue to write about the subject

3350
02:29:21,149 --> 02:29:19,089
but what about the fact here that so far

3351
02:29:23,609 --> 02:29:21,159
we haven't discovered any new evidence

3352
02:29:27,689 --> 02:29:23,619
just more case histories what keeps you

3353
02:29:30,149 --> 02:29:27,699
going well I think for me personally is

3354
02:29:33,719 --> 02:29:30,159
I have fun with the subject I mean first

3355
02:29:35,880 --> 02:29:33,729
and foremost you know I I like the

3356
02:29:39,269 --> 02:29:35,890
stories they're spooky they make you

3357
02:29:41,159 --> 02:29:39,279
know great conversations interviewing

3358
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:41,169
witnesses that tell you they've seen

3359
02:29:48,389 --> 02:29:44,560
basically what is a monster lurking in

3360
02:29:51,630 --> 02:29:48,399
the woods is is fun and so I have to

3361
02:29:55,889 --> 02:29:51,640
think that I wouldn't want to be so darn

3362
02:29:58,559 --> 02:29:55,899
serious and and after you know 40 years

3363
02:30:01,729 --> 02:29:58,569
of research think that I've wasted my

3364
02:30:04,889 --> 02:30:01,739
time so the camaraderie between

3365
02:30:06,539 --> 02:30:04,899
researchers is great getting out camping

3366
02:30:09,059 --> 02:30:06,549
getting in the woods exploring the

3367
02:30:12,420 --> 02:30:09,069
outdoors the thrill that you might see

3368
02:30:15,809 --> 02:30:12,430
something unknown is a great allure and

3369
02:30:17,579 --> 02:30:15,819
me and my friends enjoy that now on top

3370
02:30:19,649 --> 02:30:17,589
of that you know if you really did find

3371
02:30:21,689 --> 02:30:19,659
proof evidence a photo or if I could

3372
02:30:24,449 --> 02:30:21,699
just see one with my own eyes would be

3373
02:30:27,389 --> 02:30:24,459
amazing and there is that chance you

3374
02:30:29,969 --> 02:30:27,399
know but you know if that never happens

3375
02:30:31,079 --> 02:30:29,979
I'm not losing anything I think that

3376
02:30:33,960 --> 02:30:31,089
I've told

3377
02:30:36,869 --> 02:30:33,970
I've brought forth good stories in my

3378
02:30:39,149 --> 02:30:36,879
book I've met a lot of very cool people

3379
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:39,159
interesting people and that's what keeps

3380
02:30:45,329 --> 02:30:42,399
me going as far as the research even in

3381
02:30:47,670 --> 02:30:45,339
the face of such improbability and in

3382
02:30:51,119 --> 02:30:47,680
such questions and puzzles as we've

3383
02:30:53,099 --> 02:30:51,129
raised here in the last hour well we

3384
02:30:54,780 --> 02:30:53,109
know of course that most people who

3385
02:30:56,430 --> 02:30:54,790
write

3386
02:30:59,250 --> 02:30:56,440
books in the subject don't become

3387
02:31:02,460 --> 02:30:59,260
millionaires so we assume that you have

3388
02:31:05,610 --> 02:31:02,470
to put some money together to make these

3389
02:31:08,730 --> 02:31:05,620
trips so you just travel on the cheap or

3390
02:31:10,350 --> 02:31:08,740
what well yeah I definitely you know try

3391
02:31:13,261 --> 02:31:10,360
to be economical about it and I

3392
02:31:15,690 --> 02:31:13,271
certainly the books I don't make a huge

3393
02:31:17,790 --> 02:31:15,700
profit and it's something that usually

3394
02:31:19,440 --> 02:31:17,800
gets rolled back into the research hence

3395
02:31:21,300 --> 02:31:19,450
the fact that I have to take freelance

3396
02:31:24,480 --> 02:31:21,310
writing jobs and things like that I just

3397
02:31:28,230 --> 02:31:24,490
can't exist off writing these kind of

3398
02:31:30,480 --> 02:31:28,240
books but I just love doing it and

3399
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:30,490
that's you know it's again I have a good

3400
02:31:36,540 --> 02:31:34,090
time with it so I can forego the wishes

3401
02:31:38,340 --> 02:31:36,550
to be a millionaire with it but it is

3402
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:38,350
certainly costly and I mean I've seen

3403
02:31:42,330 --> 02:31:40,090
you know I've seen comments on the

3404
02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:42,340
internet that I'm trying to cash in on

3405
02:31:47,040 --> 02:31:44,080
you know the Legend of Boggy Creek or

3406
02:31:50,940 --> 02:31:47,050
something oh my gosh in buddy how much

3407
02:31:53,490 --> 02:31:50,950
time and money may what a joke oh it's

3408
02:31:54,750 --> 02:31:53,500
ridiculous I've seen all kinds of just I

3409
02:31:57,060 --> 02:31:54,760
mean and this is the nature of the

3410
02:31:59,040 --> 02:31:57,070
Internet I mean nobody know not

3411
02:32:01,770 --> 02:31:59,050
everybody likes what you do but I just

3412
02:32:04,020 --> 02:32:01,780
see some rich there's a huge peanut

3413
02:32:05,880 --> 02:32:04,030
gallery in the internet you have to kind

3414
02:32:07,590 --> 02:32:05,890
of just put them out of your mind

3415
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:07,600
sometimes you're not saying here that

3416
02:32:13,170 --> 02:32:11,050
their minds are smallest peanuts well

3417
02:32:16,440 --> 02:32:13,180
that too but there's a huge peanut

3418
02:32:20,600 --> 02:32:16,450
gallery that is willing and able and I

3419
02:32:23,250 --> 02:32:20,610
mean they'll jump all over you just for

3420
02:32:25,530 --> 02:32:23,260
expressing an interest in a subject I

3421
02:32:27,090 --> 02:32:25,540
mean let alone getting out of their

3422
02:32:30,120 --> 02:32:27,100
armchair and actually going out and

3423
02:32:34,530 --> 02:32:30,130
doing the research well I do you know JC

3424
02:32:37,290 --> 02:32:34,540
Johnson yes we had JC on a couple of

3425
02:32:39,110 --> 02:32:37,300
weeks ago and boy I'll tell you you know

3426
02:32:42,060 --> 02:32:39,120
we have a very up-to-speed

3427
02:32:45,990 --> 02:32:42,070
listenership out there and on the forums

3428
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:46,000
here at forum dr. Peric ascom a lot of

3429
02:32:52,980 --> 02:32:50,160
people really wanted to take JC and his

3430
02:32:55,740 --> 02:32:52,990
presentation of his investigative

3431
02:32:58,261 --> 02:32:55,750
efforts to task now I'll tell you I have

3432
02:32:59,580 --> 02:32:58,271
heard a lot of stories in my time and if

3433
02:33:02,580 --> 02:32:59,590
you add them all up

3434
02:33:04,980 --> 02:33:02,590
JC can top them what do you think about

3435
02:33:06,720 --> 02:33:04,990
someone like JC who is sitting you know

3436
02:33:08,461 --> 02:33:06,730
and I'll be the first to admit he's

3437
02:33:10,291 --> 02:33:08,471
sitting in an area

3438
02:33:13,110 --> 02:33:10,301
the country that is really high strange

3439
02:33:16,020 --> 02:33:13,120
but what do you take someone like JC who

3440
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:16,030
is so over-the-top and so you know

3441
02:33:21,360 --> 02:33:19,570
sitting around the campfire style that

3442
02:33:24,841 --> 02:33:21,370
it's very difficult to take anything

3443
02:33:27,421 --> 02:33:24,851
that he says you know without a huge

3444
02:33:29,301 --> 02:33:27,431
block of salt you see much more

3445
02:33:31,820 --> 02:33:29,311
circumspect what do you think of

3446
02:33:35,041 --> 02:33:31,830
researchers and investigators like JC

3447
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:35,051
again this is you know something that

3448
02:33:39,680 --> 02:33:37,210
has a wide range of people that are

3449
02:33:43,860 --> 02:33:39,690
attracted to the subject and researchers

3450
02:33:45,930 --> 02:33:43,870
very dramatically in their approach you

3451
02:33:49,980 --> 02:33:45,940
know some more scientific some more

3452
02:33:51,841 --> 02:33:49,990
dramatic you know but I try to look at

3453
02:33:54,810 --> 02:33:51,851
you know I try not to be the peanut

3454
02:33:57,301 --> 02:33:54,820
gallery I try to you know judge peoples

3455
02:33:58,831 --> 02:33:57,311
or jump to conclusions about stuff

3456
02:34:01,350 --> 02:33:58,841
because we are dealing with high

3457
02:34:03,511 --> 02:34:01,360
strangeness as you say and there really

3458
02:34:06,900 --> 02:34:03,521
are no right or wrong answers you know

3459
02:34:08,671 --> 02:34:06,910
and we're really not unless somebody's

3460
02:34:10,501 --> 02:34:08,681
looked into that case and talked to

3461
02:34:12,841 --> 02:34:10,511
those witnesses and knows more about it

3462
02:34:15,631 --> 02:34:12,851
you really can't just dismiss it now you

3463
02:34:18,480 --> 02:34:15,641
can definitely I you know I try to focus

3464
02:34:21,121 --> 02:34:18,490
on what I believe to be the most

3465
02:34:22,921 --> 02:34:21,131
credible sources and the most credible

3466
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:22,931
stories and focus on that because

3467
02:34:26,911 --> 02:34:24,160
there's plenty of them you know really

3468
02:34:28,530 --> 02:34:26,921
don't have to get ridiculous so you know

3469
02:34:32,761 --> 02:34:28,540
but JC's have been doing it a long time

3470
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:32,771
and he knows he's he's smart about the

3471
02:34:36,930 --> 02:34:34,960
subject and you know I respect his

3472
02:34:39,060 --> 02:34:36,940
research and I respect the research of

3473
02:34:41,671 --> 02:34:39,070
you know what everybody else has done

3474
02:34:45,020 --> 02:34:41,681
saved for somebody who's like reporting

3475
02:34:48,690 --> 02:34:45,030
hoaxes or parading bodies around they

3476
02:34:52,680 --> 02:34:48,700
hold on wait a minute JC has been hot on

3477
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:52,690
the trail of a group of centaurs

3478
02:34:59,371 --> 02:34:55,690
he claims that a I think it's like some

3479
02:35:03,060 --> 02:34:59,381
little retreat center or monastery with

3480
02:35:05,671 --> 02:35:03,070
a priest and and I echo lights living in

3481
02:35:08,581 --> 02:35:05,681
a remote area of New Mexico have been

3482
02:35:12,270 --> 02:35:08,591
seeing centaurs have you ever heard ever

3483
02:35:14,761 --> 02:35:12,280
of a centaur report except for some sort

3484
02:35:16,411 --> 02:35:14,771
of Greek myth or something okay let's

3485
02:35:19,711 --> 02:35:16,421
sit down for this ladies and gentlemen

3486
02:35:22,111 --> 02:35:19,721
let's get ready for the response from

3487
02:35:23,821 --> 02:35:22,121
Lyle okay you have the scent

3488
02:35:26,430 --> 02:35:23,831
well you know I don't know about that

3489
02:35:28,890 --> 02:35:26,440
I'm not really up on his Centaur

3490
02:35:31,381 --> 02:35:28,900
investigation so I I'm not totally

3491
02:35:34,350 --> 02:35:31,391
qualified to comment on that now I just

3492
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:34,360
don't know but I can't tell you that

3493
02:35:39,241 --> 02:35:36,730
people report some really bizarre stuff

3494
02:35:42,001 --> 02:35:39,251
and then this is coming from somebody

3495
02:35:45,361 --> 02:35:42,011
okay let me ask you this if Lyle if you

3496
02:35:47,791 --> 02:35:45,371
saw a horse with the upper body of a

3497
02:35:50,551 --> 02:35:47,801
human instead of a horse head and you

3498
02:35:55,051 --> 02:35:50,561
had a 30.6 would you take that sucker

3499
02:35:57,720 --> 02:35:55,061
down or what I guess so

3500
02:36:02,701 --> 02:35:57,730
I'd be thinking like Clash of the Titans

3501
02:36:04,651 --> 02:36:02,711
the gods might punish me for this but I

3502
02:36:07,861 --> 02:36:04,661
don't even know what to think about

3503
02:36:09,841 --> 02:36:07,871
that's so off my radar uh yeah I just I

3504
02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:09,851
I'm just way more down to earth if I

3505
02:36:15,661 --> 02:36:14,110
hear a centaur report I just I don't

3506
02:36:18,091 --> 02:36:15,671
know I'd have to hear it straight up I

3507
02:36:20,701 --> 02:36:18,101
but again I would I'm the type of person

3508
02:36:24,991 --> 02:36:20,711
that I'm not gonna I don't have time to

3509
02:36:26,850 --> 02:36:25,001
to debunk everybody's goings ons if

3510
02:36:28,561 --> 02:36:26,860
they're if I'm face to face with a

3511
02:36:29,941 --> 02:36:28,571
researcher and they tell me about it

3512
02:36:31,981 --> 02:36:29,951
then I can make a much more better

3513
02:36:34,561 --> 02:36:31,991
judgment I might think they're crazy but

3514
02:36:38,731 --> 02:36:34,571
until then I just say that's your case

3515
02:36:41,850 --> 02:36:38,741
man and if you can prove it great I mean

3516
02:36:44,401 --> 02:36:41,860
do it thou willst yes that's that's your

3517
02:36:46,350 --> 02:36:44,411
deal I know JC JC actually is a friend

3518
02:36:48,301 --> 02:36:46,360
and and I've spent some time with him

3519
02:36:50,371 --> 02:36:48,311
I've done some some work out in the

3520
02:36:54,121 --> 02:36:50,381
field with him and I'll tell you I have

3521
02:36:57,390 --> 02:36:54,131
never met a guy that's more enthralling

3522
02:36:59,961 --> 02:36:57,400
around a campfire than this guy I mean

3523
02:37:04,441 --> 02:36:59,971
it doesn't matter what the subject is

3524
02:37:07,051 --> 02:37:04,451
he's got one for you ya know you know

3525
02:37:09,451 --> 02:37:07,061
that's that's his forte and that's

3526
02:37:12,091 --> 02:37:09,461
awesome and you know it at the end of

3527
02:37:14,281 --> 02:37:12,101
the day again it's it it's all great

3528
02:37:17,071 --> 02:37:14,291
mysteries and we're just trying to sort

3529
02:37:19,051 --> 02:37:17,081
through them as best we can so okay so

3530
02:37:21,390 --> 02:37:19,061
what's up for you in the future here

3531
02:37:23,941 --> 02:37:21,400
what what is on your radar we've only

3532
02:37:25,531 --> 02:37:23,951
got about a minute left give us a sense

3533
02:37:26,731 --> 02:37:25,541
of where you're going with your

3534
02:37:29,251 --> 02:37:26,741
particular research

3535
02:37:31,531 --> 02:37:29,261
I'm looking into writing a book that's

3536
02:37:33,481 --> 02:37:31,541
more of a general southern Sasquatch

3537
02:37:35,460 --> 02:37:33,491
type thing so I'm still trying to sketch

3538
02:37:38,519 --> 02:37:35,470
out exactly what I'm doing but it

3539
02:37:40,050 --> 02:37:38,529
be back to a Bigfoot book I got some

3540
02:37:42,300 --> 02:37:40,060
appearances coming up I'll be at the

3541
02:37:45,690 --> 02:37:42,310
Ohio Bigfoot conference on April the

3542
02:37:47,460 --> 02:37:45,700
26th and all that so but people can

3543
02:37:50,639 --> 02:37:47,470
follow me by check checking out my

3544
02:37:52,500 --> 02:37:50,649
website Lyle Blackburn comm find out

3545
02:37:54,300 --> 02:37:52,510
where to get my books all that sort of

3546
02:37:57,000 --> 02:37:54,310
stuff and you know send me some feedback

3547
02:38:01,080 --> 02:37:57,010
if you like if you've seen a centaur or

3548
02:38:02,639 --> 02:38:01,090
a Bigfoot let me know okay so we're

3549
02:38:05,400 --> 02:38:02,649
gonna have a special show on centaur

3550
02:38:07,650 --> 02:38:05,410
sightings I think at this point Chris

3551
02:38:09,870 --> 02:38:07,660
O'Brien can be found at our strange

3552
02:38:12,479 --> 02:38:09,880
planet comm and they're setting up the

3553
02:38:14,760 --> 02:38:12,489
stalking of the herd dot-com site that's

3554
02:38:16,559 --> 02:38:14,770
already got its rudimentary features

3555
02:38:19,229 --> 02:38:16,569
there we've got a special section in our

3556
02:38:21,450 --> 02:38:19,239
forum at forum dot ^ cast calm for

3557
02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:21,460
Chris's new book and if you go to the

3558
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:24,489
power cast comm you can download every

3559
02:38:29,910 --> 02:38:27,130
episode of the para cast now this week I

3560
02:38:34,050 --> 02:38:29,920
understand addition to GCN and boost

3561
02:38:37,260 --> 02:38:34,060
radio network will be joining IR and

3562
02:38:40,229 --> 02:38:37,270
internet radio network for a wider reach

3563
02:38:42,809 --> 02:38:40,239
for the parent cast Lyle Blackburn thank

3564
02:38:44,610 --> 02:38:42,819
you for joining us on the para cast hey

3565
02:38:54,761 --> 02:38:44,620
ya thanks so much for having me I really

3566
02:39:01,310 --> 02:38:58,280
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3567
02:39:04,180 --> 02:39:01,320
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3568
02:39:05,480 --> 02:39:04,190
presentation of making the impossible

3569
02:39:09,400 --> 02:39:05,490
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